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Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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So, children of summer (there are many here who have only known the longest bull market in the last century), let me give you some free advice. If you're looking at this and wondering when to get in, to bargain hunt essentially, and you're asking yourself questions like "today? next week?", you need to step back and think again. Some points to consider: - If your time horizon is 10+ years out probably none of this ma…

With zero or negative growth looming both in China and Germany in the coming quarter, it is a safe assumption that this market has much lower to go to reflect those new realities.

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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Buy S&P puts as a hedge to save your account in times of extreme volatility. I had 270 strike puts for April I bought on Friday for $6 that jumped to $15 today and got my account to break even even though the value of my stocks went down.

Or just buy index decade after decade... this of course does not work if you attempt to beat the index or have timespan that is short.

The index has become a bubble in of itself. It's also not as diversified as you would think when Microsoft makes up 5-6% of the S&P and over 10% of Nasdaq.

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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Genuine question: They can just do that ? Issue a trading halt because they don't like the direction it's going ? > “There’s a reason why they have those circuit breakers -- it’s to give people time to come back from panicked feelings,” Seems strange that the market is kinda able to be manipulated like that. I'm not saying this is a bad move, just surprised that someone can do it.

I too think it's inane. Some of us want to get into the market but not at these prices. Yet the whole system is built around trying to push markets into higher and higher prices at all times. Here's a brilliant idea, introduce a rule that says you can only sell a security for more than what you paid. Voila, endlessly rising prices forever! Feels like a con.

Would you want to get into the market if it wasn't a system built around increasing market value?

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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Do they have circuit breakers in the other direction?

No. This is just one of several places where the laws systematically favor the bulls.

Believe this is not a "law" but a "policy" Regardless, your sentiment is spot-on.

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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Currently only 6% down, perhaps (anecdotal) evidence that halts work?

Days with a large pre-market drops often follow this pattern. As the end of the day approaches the selling often becomes panicked again.

Either that or frantic buying at the end. Impossible to predict.

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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Looks like it's only happened once, 22.61% on Oct 19, 1987. Even the 1929 crash wasn't that much, though it did drop about 24.5% over two days, Oct 28 and 29, 1929. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_daily_changes_...

The crash in 1987 is why they put these halting rules in place.

not exactly - circuit breaker was put in place after the 1987 crash, but the 3-tier system (7-13-20) went into effect only in 2013: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Trading_curb

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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"No one will be able to time this" "put your retirement into bonds and hold on" facepalm

What? That's how you minimize risk because there's a good chance the markets will continue to slide. It's literally why the markets are down - because investors are pulling out and parking their cash in safer havens.

"there's a good chance the markets will continue to slide" By saying that, you are trying to time it (claiming that the bottom is in the future).

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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post #315

So, children of summer (there are many here who have only known the longest bull market in the last century), let me give you some free advice. If you're looking at this and wondering when to get in, to bargain hunt essentially, and you're asking yourself questions like "today? next week?", you need to step back and think again. Some points to consider: - If your time horizon is 10+ years out probably none of this ma…

>Bear markets are paved with the blood of optimists.

I'm going to shamelessly borrow this.

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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"They" don't do anything - this is called a circuit breaker, and is automatically triggered. There are three breakers: L1 - 7% down before 3:25pm - 15 minute halt L2 - 13% down before 3:25pm - 15 minute halt L3 - 20% down - halted for the remainder of the day Only a single L1 and a single L2 breaker can occur in a single day, e.g. the market falling below 7%, rising, then falling again will not trigger a second L1 br…

Do they have circuit breakers in the other direction?

You can easily sell a market to zero, however it is much harder to buy a market to infinity.

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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Buy S&P puts as a hedge to save your account in times of extreme volatility. I had 270 strike puts for April I bought on Friday for $6 that jumped to $15 today and got my account to break even even though the value of my stocks went down.

What is the end game with this strategy? If you sell the puts today to capture the profits, do you also sell your equities? If you don't sell your equities isn't there a chance the slide further? If you hold the puts to maturity why buy them at all?

The end game is to save the value of my account without having to sell holdings I want to keep long term for tax reasons.

I'm up 8% for the year instead of down 15%.

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