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Honestly, how can we ever beat climate change if this is the norm.

Greta T's just gotta be shaking her head over this shit.

I mean the norm of flying empty planes when there is no demand. If there is no demand to travel but planes fly regardless how do we ever beat climate change. Does that make more sense?

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AFAIK this is common practice in many armies, where each group obtains a predetermined amount ('dotation') of goods (gas, ammo, clothes...) for a given period (often a year), uses whatever it needs, then an accounting process takes into account whatever wasn't used in order to calculate the next dotation. It seems consistent and efficient. However it neglects human nature. The soldiers want to avoid missing anything,…

It's also a common practice in any department that has their budget determined this way, e.g. https://vimeo.com/27060669

Yeah, I had a GF that worked for a government research department. The last quarter of the year the department staff did ridiculous things to ensure every penny of the budget was spent. Frivolous travel, non-relevant conferences, parties, etc. As someone who worked in the private sector and managed project budgets I was blown away haha.

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Yep, and the really interesting thing is when you combine libertarian principles with this insight. If large corporations (and large concentrations of individual wealth) are as undesirable as large governments, then the economic model starts to look very different!

Out of curiosity, how would a "libertarian" propose we achieve economic anything without large individual concentrations of wealth?

sort of a weird question. libertarians don't necessarily consider large concentrations of private wealth to be a problem in and of itself. they are concerned more with the power of institutions, usually (but not always) the state.

the libertarian dream, as I understand it, is sort of like the unix philosophy applied to business: a large number of small/medium-size firms each offering a focused line of products. of course, libertarians disagree on exactly how to get to that world, but most don't oppose stuff like antitrust regulation on principle. intervening in the case of market failure is usually considered to be one of the (few) legitimate roles of the state.

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And yet, all of these companies that run like command economies have collectively out-competed all the companies that run like market economies. We know this, because the latter... Don't really exist. No company of any note operates like one. Does that imply that command economies are actually more efficient than market ones?

"Does that imply that command economies are actually more efficient than market ones?" I think it's probably similar to politics. A well-run dictatorship can do better than a democracy but usually dictatorships deteriorate after a while.

I think it has to do with leadership.

Corporate leaders get sacked by the board rather quickly if they completely screw up. Most of them also don't blatantly steal from their firm.

Regime change in governments happens much slowly.

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Yep, and the really interesting thing is when you combine libertarian principles with this insight. If large corporations (and large concentrations of individual wealth) are as undesirable as large governments, then the economic model starts to look very different!

Out of curiosity, how would a "libertarian" propose we achieve economic anything without large individual concentrations of wealth?

Essentially much stronger anti-trust laws which break up large institutions, and distribute large concentrations of wealth. It's the only way to spread power.

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Out of curiosity, how would a "libertarian" propose we achieve economic anything without large individual concentrations of wealth?

sort of a weird question. libertarians don't necessarily consider large concentrations of private wealth to be a problem in and of itself. they are concerned more with the power of institutions, usually (but not always) the state. the libertarian dream, as I understand it, is sort of like the unix philosophy applied to business: a large number of small/medium-size firms each offering a focused line of products. of co…

Yes, but the position of libertarians with this attitude is inconsistent, because in a capitalist society, having a large concentration of wealth implies a concentration of power. To be a consistent libertarian you must oppose disproportionate concentrations of power in all forms.

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Does anyone have any reliable information on the risks of flying right now? I took a couple flights this week, seemed to be status quo. People of all ages flying with no one practicing any special hygiene measures.

The IPCC has good information on the climate effects. The growing amount of air travel looks quite worrying.

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You cannot seriously believe this. Is a parking company only successful due to how well it serves its users? No, it extracts rent.

If the parking compny pays rent to the parking space owner (based on the auction’s highest price), then yes (the owner gets all the rental profits).

I have seen multiple times cases where an establishment has parking spaces outside that are not paying to that establishment. The customer is basically tricked into parking on spots that seem to be free for customers, but is in fact not: those are further away. The only reason it seems is that this gives more fines, and more profit to the parking company. Neither customer nor the establishment benefit from this at all.

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Yeah, go check out what type of ISP service you can get in Australia for comparison of a similarly sized country. Get ready for ADSL and quotas.

It has nothing to do with size and everything to do with politics. Plenty of small countries have crap internet too. Australia's internet sucks because the conservative government nerfed the NBN plan.

There is no large country that has amazing Internet everywhere. Size does matter in this regard.

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Yep, they are human beings forced by the government to hide the truth under the guise of “harmony” with the threat of much worse. Also, you can criticize the Chinese government without having any issues with Chinese people. Learn the difference or life is going to be hard.

You're literally just agreeing with me, but in a condescending tone. My point is that not literally every Chinese person is "conspiring" to "fake" a "veneer" because they're "scared", because people != government. It's GP who needs to learn the difference.

If they work with the government to participate in this data taking scheme, they are conspiring to fake a veneer. They just have no choice.
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