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Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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Re: Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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I'm confused. If you don't want people to touch a railing, why have a railing?

For safety reasons. For disabled people. Last year I twisted my ankle and for a few days the only way I could use flight of stairs was to held onto the rails.

Well, yes, but the context is that a railing covered with a layer of sticky crap isn't much better than no railing.

Re: Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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I got sick 12 times my first year living in a city again. I got pretty paranoid after that and now I mentally have a "my hands are infected" notion as soon as I touch something outside the house. The very first thing I do upon entering my apartment or a restaurant is to wash them. Unfortunately I still touch my face sometimes while my hands are potentially dirty, I need to be more careful about that. I've got sick a…

It could also be because your immune system got used to the change in environment. I honestly don’t understand the particular level of fear around COVID-19 when compared to other flu outbreaks. Can anyone point me to a concise explanation? I mean, I get that it’s a new virus we’ve never seen before, but what distinctly sets it apart? Everything I’ve read says that it affects older people and those with a compromised…

> I honestly don’t understand the particular level of fear around COVID-19 when compared to other flu outbreaks.

I don’t think it has anything to do with the mortality of this particular one. The problem here is that about 10% of the patients require ICU and potentially mechanical ventilation. This, togerther with the short in supply of desinfection and sanitizsrs, poses the risk that other ilnesses can’t be treated. People don’t die because of covid-19 infection. People die because of complications because the immune system is destabilised and usually curable deaseses become mortal because: there are no drugs, no protection, no staff, too many people require treatment at once.

Re: Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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The info from China shows that it spreads primarily through inhaling droplets, not through touching surfaces. Which is why I expect the epidemic to be way way worse outside of Asia, since in the West people don't wear masks and are actively discouraged by the health authorities.

I've heard the exact opposite. It spreads through droplets, but mostly through touch, not inhaling. Do you have a source?

https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1236306611527798784

Re: Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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post #19

I got sick 12 times my first year living in a city again. I got pretty paranoid after that and now I mentally have a "my hands are infected" notion as soon as I touch something outside the house. The very first thing I do upon entering my apartment or a restaurant is to wash them. Unfortunately I still touch my face sometimes while my hands are potentially dirty, I need to be more careful about that. I've got sick a…

It could also be because your immune system got used to the change in environment. I honestly don’t understand the particular level of fear around COVID-19 when compared to other flu outbreaks. Can anyone point me to a concise explanation? I mean, I get that it’s a new virus we’ve never seen before, but what distinctly sets it apart? Everything I’ve read says that it affects older people and those with a compromised…

Thanks to everyone that responded. I hadn't seen the reasons for the added concern explained as clearly/directly.

Re: Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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The info from China shows that it spreads primarily through inhaling droplets, not through touching surfaces. Which is why I expect the epidemic to be way way worse outside of Asia, since in the West people don't wear masks and are actively discouraged by the health authorities.

From what I have observed, it seems both South Korea’s and China’s outbreaks are largest among cities near rivers. I have also read of the virus being detected in feces. Is it possible the virus is being spread via the water supply? The waste treatment plants dump into the river, as well as septic runoff, and humans just deciding to defecate in or near the rivers. Additionally, if it is possible for dogs to carry the…

I'm an environmental engineer with some experience in drinking water treatment.

I doubt it's in the drinking water. One of the oldest drinking water treatment methods would remove the virus: slow-sand filtration. Most places in China would at least use this, and South Korea is likely using more advanced technology.

Re: Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I have observed, it seems both South Korea’s and China’s outbreaks are largest among cities near rivers. I have also read of the virus being detected in feces. Is it possible the virus is being spread via the water supply? The waste treatment plants dump into the river, as well as septic runoff, and humans just deciding to defecate in or near the rivers. Additionally, if it is possible for dogs to carry the…

I'm an environmental engineer with some experience in drinking water treatment. I doubt it's in the drinking water. One of the oldest drinking water treatment methods would remove the virus: slow-sand filtration. Most places in China would at least use this, and South Korea is likely using more advanced technology.

I understand that is an older method, but I would be surprised if it is the method of choice for these cities.

What do you consider ‘advanced technology’?

Re: Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I have observed, it seems both South Korea’s and China’s outbreaks are largest among cities near rivers. I have also read of the virus being detected in feces. Is it possible the virus is being spread via the water supply? The waste treatment plants dump into the river, as well as septic runoff, and humans just deciding to defecate in or near the rivers. Additionally, if it is possible for dogs to carry the…

I'm an environmental engineer with some experience in drinking water treatment. I doubt it's in the drinking water. One of the oldest drinking water treatment methods would remove the virus: slow-sand filtration. Most places in China would at least use this, and South Korea is likely using more advanced technology.

Is the reason sand filtration effective, because the virus is too big to fit between the sand particles as the water flows around it?

I have no clue on how it works, so any insight is appreciated.

Re: Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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There's actually a Scrubs episode which did precisely what the author suggests: https://youtu.be/PdrrgVVi-9U The spread of a disease throughout the hospital is visualized as a green slime passed on between people.

I think that's one of my 'favorite' saddest episodes/storylines in Scrubs. That and the ones with Brandon Fraser.

Re: Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an environmental engineer with some experience in drinking water treatment. I doubt it's in the drinking water. One of the oldest drinking water treatment methods would remove the virus: slow-sand filtration. Most places in China would at least use this, and South Korea is likely using more advanced technology.

Is the reason sand filtration effective, because the virus is too big to fit between the sand particles as the water flows around it? I have no clue on how it works, so any insight is appreciated.

The virus particles would be filtered out at the top layer of the sand filter, where a layer of microbes grow. This layer is referred to as the schmutzdecke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmutzdecke

Most of the filtering action happens in that layer. Viruses have no problem getting past sand particles.

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