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Can Montreal Become an Open Source Startup Hub?

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Re: Can Montreal Become an Open Source Startup Hub?

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Montreal companies have absolutely no problem hiring programmers who don't speak French (I'm the sole anglophone at my company, and they found me). The real losers end up being the native Quebecers. There are really good programmers here working for pennies because they don't know enough English to move to or contract for companies in the Bay Area or NYC. This is true for a lot of other knowledge/creative professiona…

Anglophones having highest incomes in Quebec is an old myth. In fact, a recent report from Statistics Canada (StatsCan) shows that English-speakers have a lower median income than francophones with the same qualifications.[1] Furthermore, I highly doubt that the fact "you could be working in NYC if you wanted to" has any influence on your salary. Finally, even if what you stated was true regarding francization, it wo…

Note what the article states:

"The majority of migrants to Quebec are English-speaking – 33 per cent of the anglophone population is made up of immigrants, compared to only 7 per cent of the French-speaking population – and inflows of foreign migrants contribute to higher poverty rates among anglophones."

"A wealthy minority exists within the anglophone community, skewing their average income data upwards"

It is this Westmount/West Island wealthy minority I'm referring to when I say you should look at occupation and income levels.

There's no surprise blue-collar francophones earn more - that was the whole impetus behind the Quiet Revolution.

Programmer salaries in NYC are about three times what they are in Montreal, while the cost of living is only about twice as high. Salaries in the US have a very real effect on Canadian ones - it's so easy to get a NAFTA visa that the US and Canada basically share a labor market of programmers.

Re: Can Montreal Become an Open Source Startup Hub?

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post #81

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Anglophones having highest incomes in Quebec is an old myth. In fact, a recent report from Statistics Canada (StatsCan) shows that English-speakers have a lower median income than francophones with the same qualifications.[1] Furthermore, I highly doubt that the fact "you could be working in NYC if you wanted to" has any influence on your salary. Finally, even if what you stated was true regarding francization, it wo…

Note what the article states: "The majority of migrants to Quebec are English-speaking – 33 per cent of the anglophone population is made up of immigrants, compared to only 7 per cent of the French-speaking population – and inflows of foreign migrants contribute to higher poverty rates among anglophones." "A wealthy minority exists within the anglophone community, skewing their average income data upwards" It is this…

You seem to have a very distorted view of the job market in Montreal. Perhaps the company you're working at isn't very representative?

I won't disagree that NY salaries are higher but 3 times higher? It's probably more around 1.1 times higher. I'm frequently getting contacted by recruiters. Here is a sample of an email I recently received:

> Analyste-programmeur SHAREPOINT SR. [...] permanent temps plein et est situé à Montréal [...] salaire offert est entre 80000-85000$/an (selon le profil) + boni 20%

> Directeur Technologique (architecture et Base de Données) - Montréal - 100000-120000$

> Formateur technique (automatisation, DCS, régulation) - Montréal - 80000-100000$

> Analyste d'affaire senior (projets web et applic. mobiles) - Montréal - 80-90K$

> Analyste soutien informatique (SGPCR, régression, acceptation, - Montréal - 50-60K$

> Directeur Centre de données (conn. mécanique et électrique) - Montréal -100-110K$

> Conseiller principal bureau projet (adj. PMO) (conn. et expér. AGILE) -Montréal -90-95K$

> Développeur Iphone (objective C) - Montréal - 65-70K$

> Développeur Iphone TEAM LEAD (objective C) - Montréal - 80-85K$

> Développeur PHP Backend - Montréal - 60-65K$

> Développeur SQL-BI (datawarehouse, .Net, CRM) - Montréal 65-75K$

Re: Can Montreal Become an Open Source Startup Hub?

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Why not? Don't you think local government has a stake in building the startup ecosystem in the city? I think there's some serious opportunity for some jurisdiction to pwn Open Source startups with significant tax incentives for Open Source development. What about tax incentives on salaries for developers who release code under an OSI license? Incentives for "soft" Open Source work like community management? Infrastru…

Procurement is definitely an area that should be looked at. Open data too, since it creates opportunities - it's a disgrace that we give Google transit data but locals can't compete. Cheap, fast internet connections: the city could engage with Ile Sans Fil. Municipal fiber too. The biggest challenges are not technological. On the political front, I think we're falling far short of what we'd need to compete.

"it's a disgrace that we give Google transit data but locals can't compete"

my city and transit system offers that info to locals if they want to compete.

Re: Can Montreal Become an Open Source Startup Hub?

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I think you're exaggerating. Parisians may tease Quebecers, but that's just to keep themselves in teasing shape. Teasing is a sport, you gotta practice. Most French people will be able to understand most Montrealers. It should be noted that France itself has many regional accents that are quite strong. Also to be noted, there is a steady flow of young French people immigrating to Montreal.

Most French people will be able to understand most Montrealers sometimes, in the same way that someone from Britain would be able to understand a Cajun sometimes. The language is very divergent, with franglais words sprinkled here or there, shortened words, differing word usage, etc. On top of that, for the reasons above as well as others (including their accent), people from France really dislike listening to people…

This idea that the french canadian accent is cajun is a myth, bordering on preposterous. It's actually based on pre Napoleonic "Royal Court French:"

http://www.republiquelibre.org/cousture/FRANC2.HTM

Sure, maybe two farmers from rural areas of each country won't understand each other, or a second language speaker who speaks in one accent won't understand the other, but otherwise it's simply pretentiousness.

Re: Can Montreal Become an Open Source Startup Hub?

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Note what the article states: "The majority of migrants to Quebec are English-speaking – 33 per cent of the anglophone population is made up of immigrants, compared to only 7 per cent of the French-speaking population – and inflows of foreign migrants contribute to higher poverty rates among anglophones." "A wealthy minority exists within the anglophone community, skewing their average income data upwards" It is this…

You seem to have a very distorted view of the job market in Montreal. Perhaps the company you're working at isn't very representative? I won't disagree that NY salaries are higher but 3 times higher? It's probably more around 1.1 times higher. I'm frequently getting contacted by recruiters. Here is a sample of an email I recently received: > Analyste-programmeur SHAREPOINT SR. [...] permanent temps plein et est situé…

Just last week I had a talk with someone who knows the NY job market very well. Senior developers are getting 160-240 thousand dollars. That's 3x the team lead or senior analyst salaries in that list.
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