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The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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Quote: "You’re going to be browsing the web anyway; you’re going to be inundated with ads anyway;" Naaaah, Firefox with uBlock Origins and Privacy Badger makes sure I don't see ads, but thank you for trying.

The author isn't selling Brave. They mention themselves that they use FF with ad blockers.

I understood that. In that particular quote, author was playing Devil's advocate, except it's not working.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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I did not say they should not necessarily exist, I said they should not exist in their current form. I also want to go back to the days where websites were a labour of love from individuals, not always for-profit enterprises. Ads right now are attention stealing, privacy invading monsters as a result of an arms race for users' notice. They actively harm users for profit. There are ways to advertise without harming us…

> Ads right now are attention stealing, privacy invading monsters as a result of an arms race for users' notice All true, and this is why I use Brave. Brave punishes privacy invading ads. If you opt in to BAT, Brave values attention and gives users control over how the attention value is spent.

Don't get me wrong, I am not being a contrarian for the sake of it, and I'm willing to be proved wrong and would be happy to find out someone has solved this. I just can't see how - related to your point about Brave punishing privacy invading ads - forcing advertisers to behave can be done effectively. Do Brave hire an army of ad referees to check if they meet Brave's criteria for privacy invasion (I doubt it)? Does it only let through same-origin, static ads that are part of the HTML source of the site? That'd be great but I also doubt it. Do I have to trust Brave to curate the ads I am allowed to see? Because they're also profit driven and have investors to please and I would not give them my trust lightly either. I'd be interested to find out how Brave actually achieve privacy respecting and non-attention invading ads.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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Excellent marketing, with an army of BAT bagholders willing to shill for the product pro bono.

Do you know of any individuals to whom this would apply? Or is this just speculation? This comment reads to me like poisoning the well and presumption of motive.

Is it so outlandish to you that someone would promote a cryptocurrency because they will personally benefit from its success?

Crypto holders shilling for their flavor of coin is a meme at this point.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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The reason why “the internet is broken” is because of ads. Ads incentivize tracking and clickbait. In the end, ad companies, such as Google and Faceboook, act in the interests of advertisers, not users. Brave is an ad company. On the other hand, companies which are supported by user donations act in the best interests of users. This includes websites such as Wikipedia and the Internet Archive. Brave does offer the op…

I wish there was some mechanism to pay for websites out of your monthly bill. You pay x for internet, and y% is proportionally used to pay for your visits to websites a,b,c.

You wouldn’t have to pay to host your site or worry about it bogging down if its been posted on reddit or hn, if it is payed for by visiting users out of their monthly bill to their ISP.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know of any individuals to whom this would apply? Or is this just speculation? This comment reads to me like poisoning the well and presumption of motive.

Is it so outlandish to you that someone would promote a cryptocurrency because they will personally benefit from its success? Crypto holders shilling for their flavor of coin is a meme at this point.

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Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know of any individuals to whom this would apply? Or is this just speculation? This comment reads to me like poisoning the well and presumption of motive.

Is it so outlandish to you that someone would promote a cryptocurrency because they will personally benefit from its success? Crypto holders shilling for their flavor of coin is a meme at this point.

I deleted a response in which I assumed you posted the original comment. My apologies.

Do you disagree that the original comment was poisoning the well?

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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I’m not sure how decentralized BAT is when a single entity, Brave, controls it. Like the blog said, if you donate to a website that isn’t signed up on Brave’a program, Brave keeps the donation for itself.

I can send you BAT right now, which you can then immediately sell for fiat currency, without the involvement of anything related to Brave. Brave does not control BAT – it is an ERC-20 token on the Ethereum blockchain. Do they still own much of the BAT in circulation? Yes. But other than tanking the value of the BAT you own by selling all of theirs at once (a silly thing for them to do), there isn't much power they ca…

I suppose that’s the problem, then. Would another browser use BAT? No, because Brave already owns the majority of the Daddy-O dollars.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it so outlandish to you that someone would promote a cryptocurrency because they will personally benefit from its success? Crypto holders shilling for their flavor of coin is a meme at this point.

I deleted a response in which I assumed you posted the original comment. My apologies. Do you disagree that the original comment was poisoning the well?

I can't see it anymore because it's flagged and I don't remember exactly what it said.

I thought it was more of an observation about how crypto folks are always promoting how great ____coin is.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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> Ads right now are attention stealing, privacy invading monsters as a result of an arms race for users' notice All true, and this is why I use Brave. Brave punishes privacy invading ads. If you opt in to BAT, Brave values attention and gives users control over how the attention value is spent.

Don't get me wrong, I am not being a contrarian for the sake of it, and I'm willing to be proved wrong and would be happy to find out someone has solved this. I just can't see how - related to your point about Brave punishing privacy invading ads - forcing advertisers to behave can be done effectively. Do Brave hire an army of ad referees to check if they meet Brave's criteria for privacy invasion (I doubt it)? Does…

Brave is open source, so their ad blocking mechanisms are transparent:

https://github.com/brave/adblock-rust

Here is an excerpt of the read.me:

It uses a tokenisation approach for quickly reducing the potentially matching rule search space against a URL.

The algorithm is inspired by, and closely follows the algorithm of uBlock Origin and Cliqz.

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