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The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

#151

Brave shills everywhere these days. Sorry I'm not interested in this meme data harvesting "just give up" crap.

There is a lot of anti-Brave FUD, particularly on HN. It's good to see people pushing back against it in favor of a more rational treatment of the pros and cons of Brave.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

#152
post #140

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Do you believe ads should not exist in the world period? How do you justify such a broad-spanning assertion?

I did not say they should not necessarily exist, I said they should not exist in their current form. I also want to go back to the days where websites were a labour of love from individuals, not always for-profit enterprises. Ads right now are attention stealing, privacy invading monsters as a result of an arms race for users' notice. They actively harm users for profit. There are ways to advertise without harming us…

How do Brave's ads actively harm users?

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

#153

Quote: "You’re going to be browsing the web anyway; you’re going to be inundated with ads anyway;" Naaaah, Firefox with uBlock Origins and Privacy Badger makes sure I don't see ads, but thank you for trying.

Can a similar level of privacy be reached through extensions with Safari on iOS or Chrome on Mac?

I would say no, more information here:

https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

#154
post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe ads should not exist in the world period? How do you justify such a broad-spanning assertion?

I did not say they should not necessarily exist, I said they should not exist in their current form. I also want to go back to the days where websites were a labour of love from individuals, not always for-profit enterprises. Ads right now are attention stealing, privacy invading monsters as a result of an arms race for users' notice. They actively harm users for profit. There are ways to advertise without harming us…

Do you even have any idea what Brave is? It was literally made to address everything you said.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

#155

Quote: "You’re going to be browsing the web anyway; you’re going to be inundated with ads anyway;" Naaaah, Firefox with uBlock Origins and Privacy Badger makes sure I don't see ads, but thank you for trying.

The best thing about Brave is that all of the ad / tracker blocking is built into the browser itself - it's noticeably faster than any extension. The blog posts about the implementation make an interesting read: https://brave.com/improved-ad-blocker-performance/

Ditto.

I use Brave everywhere, from desktop to iOS. I do not use their BAT thing at all, so my praise is not incentivized.

I love the page that shows me time saved/ads blocked/redirects/etc. I'm sure the time saved stat is highly questionable, it's only as good as heuristics in it, but it's fun.

Anecdotally, last summer, we were vacationing on the Oregon coast, where the service was really poor. I experienced multiple cases where safari (on iOS) just was not going to load any time soon if ever, but brave did and handily. IIUC, Brave is using the same low level rendering engine that safari is, but the top part (UI and request handling) is different.

I think it's cool that Firefox users have lots of knobs and buttons they can turn and push, but for right now I value that the Brave experience is an ad-less experience that Just Works out of the box.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

#157

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You, uh, don't need Brave to be the middleman for all user donations. That's exactly why they built the whole thing on top of decentralized cryptocurrency.

I’m not sure how decentralized BAT is when a single entity, Brave, controls it. Like the blog said, if you donate to a website that isn’t signed up on Brave’a program, Brave keeps the donation for itself.

I can send you BAT right now, which you can then immediately sell for fiat currency, without the involvement of anything related to Brave.

Brave does not control BAT – it is an ERC-20 token on the Ethereum blockchain. Do they still own much of the BAT in circulation? Yes. But other than tanking the value of the BAT you own by selling all of theirs at once (a silly thing for them to do), there isn't much power they can exert.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

#158
post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not say they should not necessarily exist, I said they should not exist in their current form. I also want to go back to the days where websites were a labour of love from individuals, not always for-profit enterprises. Ads right now are attention stealing, privacy invading monsters as a result of an arms race for users' notice. They actively harm users for profit. There are ways to advertise without harming us…

How do Brave's ads actively harm users?

I would also like further explanation, since it appears the parent is criticizing Brave because it has "ads", without differentiating between the implication of different methods of delivering ads. Since Brave ads respect user privacy, it seems that this specific criticism against ads is an argument in favor of Brave.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

#159

I never really looked into BAT and only use Brave on mobile (mostly then as its UI for its javascript switch is far better than dealing with uMatrix on firefox mobile). I had no idea that the whole thing is yet another altcoin IPO with excellent marketing. They really must be laughing all the way to the bank...

Excellent marketing, with an army of BAT bagholders willing to shill for the product pro bono.

Do you know of any individuals to whom this would apply? Or is this just speculation? This comment reads to me like poisoning the well and presumption of motive.

Re: The Brave browser is brilliant, but probably not for the reasons you think

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uMatrix gives you a drop down that shows a grid showing css, scripts, media, cookies, images,frames, XHR, other. Blocked by default you allow what you want. I'm still figuring it out but it's more granular than merely off or on.

uMatrix is quite labor intensive.

Only in the beginning. After a week or two, you'd probably visit every site you visit regularly anyway and you'd have set all you need in uMatrix. Additional bonus is that all cookies, scripts, ajax requests etc. from Facebook, Twitter, Google, Instagram, Disqus and God knows what else are blocked for good on all sites I ever visit!
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