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Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#121

Imagine you are designing the web server for some hardware like this. You might write it in Go, dockerized and hosted it in Kubernetes in Google Cloud. You might use a hosted mongo db and 3rd party auth service. Now in 30 years time, Google Cloud will probably no longer exist, your database API will have changed beyond recognition, and your auth service has closed down. IPv4 no longer exists and your hardware depends…

I'm going to guess all those things will be available in 30 years.

Want to make a http://longbets.org/ bet of it?

PS. longbets, please get https.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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post #66

my problem with being too critical of this is that hue is very open, very well documented and nothing else is. declaring that you'll never buy another philips product ever again because they shut off hosted services support for a relatively flawed v1 device -- when a v2 device is available for £25 -- is pretty petulant imo. it will still work on your lan. i've got 15 hue bulbs and a hue bridge but i don't use any of…

I love Xiaomi Yeelight smart bulbs. They allow LAN usage even in the official app. There is API documentation. It has been a great experience developing solutions using it.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#124
I don't get the reaction here.

The online service will be shut down but the bulbs will continue to be locally controllable and Philips is releasing a dedicated app to interact with the v1 bridge.

Is it really such a huge deal that you can't access your bulbs over the internet? What's the use-case for this? Are you controlling your lights while you're not home? Do you not have access to the network the bulbs are connected to when you're at home?

I have Hue installed and this just seems like a non-issue to me.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Hue Bridge is not like a hammer. Your analogy is cute and appealing, but not actually analogous (the biggest problem with analogies...) > Philips has the resources to keep this up and running. See how your analogy doesn't work? A manufacturer of a hammer doesn't have to continually expend resources to keep your hammer operating, secure, and compatible with other devices. Because it's just a hammer.

That's not right. You've just based your assertion with a faulty assumption that a bulb has to be smart - sure the analogy breaks down. But , the parent is making an analogy about a "dumb" bulb - both hammer and bulb are tools. Hammer is used to hit nails and a bulb is used to illuminate dark spaces. A manufacturer of "dumb" bulbs doesn't have to continually expend resources to keep your bulb operating, secure, and c…

What? I never said anything about bulbs. A Hue Bridge is not a bulb at all. And “dumb” bulbs still exist, you can buy them, most people aren’t really complaining when they don’t last forever, and frankly they’ve got nothing at all to do with my comment or the one I was replying to.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Hue Bridge is not like a hammer. Your analogy is cute and appealing, but not actually analogous (the biggest problem with analogies...) > Philips has the resources to keep this up and running. See how your analogy doesn't work? A manufacturer of a hammer doesn't have to continually expend resources to keep your hammer operating, secure, and compatible with other devices. Because it's just a hammer.

That's not right. You've just based your assertion with a faulty assumption that a bulb has to be smart - sure the analogy breaks down. But , the parent is making an analogy about a "dumb" bulb - both hammer and bulb are tools. Hammer is used to hit nails and a bulb is used to illuminate dark spaces. A manufacturer of "dumb" bulbs doesn't have to continually expend resources to keep your bulb operating, secure, and c…

Your comparison is incorrect. The dumb bulbs still work, just like a hammer would.

Even the v1 bridge will still work, it’s just loosing a feature.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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post #124

I don't get the reaction here. The online service will be shut down but the bulbs will continue to be locally controllable and Philips is releasing a dedicated app to interact with the v1 bridge. Is it really such a huge deal that you can't access your bulbs over the internet? What's the use-case for this? Are you controlling your lights while you're not home? Do you not have access to the network the bulbs are conne…

Thid means you can't use Google assistant or Alexa anymore.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working on software from the late 80s to 90s also come with its challenges. You’ll have a discontinued third party database engine that is no longer maintained and writing files on smb shares wich more or less regularly breaks. It’s probably written by real plumbers and not software plumbers because they back at the time were more available. If you haven’t constantly adapted the code it for sure doesn’t compile with…

I have (c++) code from the early 1990's that compiles and works fine. People like to crap on c++ and Windows, but for just getting things done and maximum compatibility, I have yet to see better systems.

Same thing with old 90's linux and most code from that time. I guess the key thing is not the OS or languages but the reliance on external things, a dockerized microservice on a modern cloud is basically on the other end of that spectrum.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#129
post #66

my problem with being too critical of this is that hue is very open, very well documented and nothing else is. declaring that you'll never buy another philips product ever again because they shut off hosted services support for a relatively flawed v1 device -- when a v2 device is available for £25 -- is pretty petulant imo. it will still work on your lan. i've got 15 hue bulbs and a hue bridge but i don't use any of…

I love Xiaomi Yeelight smart bulbs. They allow LAN usage even in the official app. There is API documentation. It has been a great experience developing solutions using it.

Afaik on android they require you to grant the app the full contacts access permission to be able to use it. At least that was the case a year ago.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#130
post #124

I don't get the reaction here. The online service will be shut down but the bulbs will continue to be locally controllable and Philips is releasing a dedicated app to interact with the v1 bridge. Is it really such a huge deal that you can't access your bulbs over the internet? What's the use-case for this? Are you controlling your lights while you're not home? Do you not have access to the network the bulbs are conne…

Thid means you can't use Google assistant or Alexa anymore.

This could be considered a flaw in those products as well.
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