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Re: Ask HN: Why do people love Slack?

#51
If you don’t understand why people love Slack, then you don’t understand what usable enterprise software means or why people love it.

Imagine how many people never used a chat app in a business context before. Maybe this is hard, as you can’t imagine who they could be — or you don’t remember a time _before_ the ubiquity of chat apps in the workplace. But trust me those people are a majority of the workforce.

Now imagine you are an enterprise user who has no control over how they work, and they’re told to use “something new to increase productivity”. They sigh because it is probably bullshit and they’re being forced to use it by the “decision maker”.

But lo and behold, Slack is actually useful and usable! Because in large part the value of any chat app is how well it is adopted by one’s (relatively non techy) teammates!

Slack is a masterclass in commercializing enterprise software through ease of adoption and use. The core tech is completely undifferentiated, but the understanding of enterprise environments and workplace psychology is second to maybe only Microsoft.

Re: Ask HN: Why do people love Slack?

#53
Slack is hard to leave. I work on a 100% remote team- it is our office. Few of us have met in person, there just isn't budget for travel. Therefore all of our emotional connections with each, all of our work-life are built atop the Slack (and Zoom) UI. That's a hard thing to replatform.

Slack also almost never falls down. Its remarkably fast, the search is fast and faceted, and they manage cross-device notification state better than... well Apple for one. That truly 'instant' messaging experience across devices is why they are superior to IRC and decentralized alternatives. 'Instant' editing and deleting your malformed message is a killer app.

Its a safe social network. I'd much rather post memes in Slack than on Facebook or Twitter, which is a persistent battlefield. If I slip up in front of my colleagues, it happens in context and can be sorted out among the tribe, but if I do so on a public social network, it could invite angry mobs or end my career, now or years into the future.

That said, I don't love Slack. I hate how it dominates my day. I hate how I find myself checking it in the car. I hate how I get into it while I'm running a build, post something funny and suck everybody's attention. I truly despise how their DM and notification read system means that have to check everything at all times to feel up to date. I'm in a half dozen public channels, and the blue alert in my tray shows that I have something to look at.

I want control of the UI. Its my workplace, but Slack can change it to their liking, not me to mine. Sometimes if we're lucky we'll get a feature flag, otherwise, its all up to them. There are a million Hacker News clients, but only one for Slack.

I want more nuanced prioritization.

I want my life back.

Re: Ask HN: Why do people love Slack?

#54
post #40

Slack is a huge time waster. It is a constant distraction. As as it becomes standardized it’s assumed you will be on it all the tome. Through the workday and even after. The only time can get work done without distractions is after hours. With slack the world becomes one big long meeting. Lol Also as a consultant it is a problem. With email I have paper trails of conversations. But with slack when engagement is endin…

We use slack but there is no expectation that someone will respond after hours. Your time is your time. If you’re in a meeting or just working on something, I don’t expect you to respond. I’m just dropping a message to you. Respond when you have some free time. If we are both free and can chat interactively that great and we can resolve this right away. If you are currently on-call, I would expect that you check for…

Because people can respond to Slack messages immediately it enforces the expectation of quick back and forth dialogue, and anxiety on the part of those who want focus time and mute their channels and notifications. This is why it's more like IRC and less like a forum.

When I quit Slack I still feel the expectation of others at work for me to respond to messages in a timely manner and thus feel I have to check Slack periodically. This then enforces the implied importance of Slack in the workplace. Considering this, perhaps people do not love Slack but rather feel subject to it.

I wish Slack would have the option on a slack to make UI changes to make it a bit harder to post, and encourage full thoughts over quick one liners. In the meantime, we can try and reject writing quick responses ourselves.

In another Slack with a group of friends, there is no expectation to respond and therefore there is not the anxiety.

Re: Ask HN: Why do people love Slack?

#56

If you don’t understand why people love Slack, then you don’t understand what usable enterprise software means or why people love it. Imagine how many people never used a chat app in a business context before. Maybe this is hard, as you can’t imagine who they could be — or you don’t remember a time _before_ the ubiquity of chat apps in the workplace. But trust me those people are a majority of the workforce. Now imag…

Slack doesn't bring me anything new that the other enterprise communication tools did not provide all the way back to Netmeeting, other that wasting my CPU resources.

Re: Ask HN: Why do people love Slack?

#57

Because we've tried Teams? Seriously, though, I don't love any chat app that much. They're useful in some circumstances, but they can easily devolve into a horrific time-suck. People use them for important info that ought to go in emails, for example. Or hammer channels with loads of chaff and the occasional critical wheat kernel, so that you have to waste time on them looking for the latter. These days, I check mine…

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Re: Ask HN: Why do people love Slack?

#58
post #36

I suspect much of the hate for slack is from two types of people. Those who are too young to know the tyranny of email and those who used to ignore their email. As to why it’s so popular, it was the first good business chat solution that went mainstream. And I still haven’t seen another that matches it’s quality

Slack prevents deep work. I respond to e-mails 2-4 times a day during task transitions. The sender does not anticipate an immediate response so the 1-2 hours delay is OK. Compare this to Slack which requires constant monitoring where senders anticipate an immediate response. Not to mention the increase in casual "water cooler" conversations. The find the same people that recommend Slack are the same people that recom…

I disable Slack notifications, and approach the replies just like I do with email.

The only exception are meetings and escalations when something is on fire.

Re: Ask HN: Why do people love Slack?

#59

Slack is hard to leave. I work on a 100% remote team- it is our office. Few of us have met in person, there just isn't budget for travel. Therefore all of our emotional connections with each, all of our work-life are built atop the Slack (and Zoom) UI. That's a hard thing to replatform. Slack also almost never falls down. Its remarkably fast, the search is fast and faceted, and they manage cross-device notification s…

> they manage cross-device notification state better than... well Apple for one. That truly 'instant' messaging experience across devices is why they are superior to IRC and decentralized alternatives

I recently deployed workplace chat for ~100 people using XMPP. People use whatever clients they want (but we have a list of recommended clients, and in practice everyone is using one of those). With the modern extensions (SMACKS, carbons, MAM, push service integration) cross-device notifications are totally seamless. A bunch of the users are non-technical and they have had no trouble.

Slack has a lot of advantages over the likes of XMPP but I don't think technical superiority is one of them.

Re: Ask HN: Why do people love Slack?

#60
In a lot of places being busy is a proxy of being productive and Slack allows you to display how busy you are by constantly chatting in channels. They also added some dopamine based notifications.

At the end of the day it probably makes you lose more productivity than you gain but that's difficult to measure.

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