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Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

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I think I've figured out what is happening when people tell me that DuckDuckGo's results "aren't good enough". What's really happening is that they've been trained to search a certain way to using Google and because DDG doesn't have all the historical data of your searches on their platform they can't fill in the gaps as well. After a couple days using DDG I found the right vocabulary to get good local results and wh…

Today I was trying to find info about Corpus Christi - a Polish film that won some awards lately. DDG gives me information about a place in Texas, including stuff from the local newspaper and attractions. I'm searching from a Poland IP btw. Anyway, the actual film was at the very end of the first page of results for me. It certainly feels like it priotises things weirdly. Google Maps has a similar issue though: plent…

Corpus Christi is the name of a major Christian festival and is a holiday in many countries with a large catholic population, including Poland. The city in Texas and the movie are named after it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_Corpus_Christi

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

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I think I've figured out what is happening when people tell me that DuckDuckGo's results "aren't good enough". What's really happening is that they've been trained to search a certain way to using Google and because DDG doesn't have all the historical data of your searches on their platform they can't fill in the gaps as well. After a couple days using DDG I found the right vocabulary to get good local results and wh…

A lot of DDG fans on HN blame the user or social conditioning and use that as a crutch. It’s BS. You need to provide clear examples of the differences in order to really make this argument to someone who might switch. What specifically are the differences? The last time this topic came up someone told me I was a total noob because I didn’t know how to use search and that was basically the extent of it.

> You need to provide clear examples

Nope, I don't. I don't care what search engine you like. I do want to see Google knocked down several pegs, but fan rants aren't going to do that.

I just keep using DDG as it gets better while Google gets worse and sometimes think a little about the variety of the human experience.

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Startpage is in bed with an advertising company.

Google is an advertising company, so Startpage isn't any worse.

There are other choices, such as SearX, DuckDuckGo, and Ecosia.

Recommended read: "Detailed tests of search engines: Google, Startpage, Bing, DuckDuckGo, metaGer, Ecosia, Swisscows, Searx, Qwant, Yandex, and Mojeek" [1]

[1] https://libretechtips.gitlab.io/detailed-tests-of-search-eng...

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

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It's Lent, so I just searched for "Fish Tacos" and clicked on Map. It showed four places, none of which are anywhere near me. I click on Directions and it takes me to Bing. Do the same thing on Google, see a dozen places in my neighborhood, and I get Google Maps navigation. What do you get in your searches for Fish Tacos? Do you have a better experience with DDG?

I'm a die-hard DDG fan, but for some things -- particularly mapping related issues -- google maps is so superior. I append a !gm to my searches for stores and it automatically opens in google maps.

Google Maps has a number of features that contribute to that:

* maps timeline (location recording)

* maps "local guides" status with

* Gamification for POI data enrichment

* Google Survey app with payouts per survey finished

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

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I switched over to DDG a few weeks ago. I slowly regressed to more and more !g usage, and finally switched back to GOOG a couple days ago. Then just an hour ago I searched for "google fiber stadia", because I was curious how well they work together. The main reddit result opened in an amp page (and of course reddit pressured me to install the mobile app). I went back to the results and started scrolling down. I hones…

I found that searching was more difficult nowadays. Result from Google is becoming worse, filling with content farm and ads. In some sense, that gave opportunity to become a better search engine without any technical improvement, but better marketing.

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

#129

I think I've figured out what is happening when people tell me that DuckDuckGo's results "aren't good enough". What's really happening is that they've been trained to search a certain way to using Google and because DDG doesn't have all the historical data of your searches on their platform they can't fill in the gaps as well. After a couple days using DDG I found the right vocabulary to get good local results and wh…

A lot of DDG fans on HN blame the user or social conditioning and use that as a crutch. It’s BS. You need to provide clear examples of the differences in order to really make this argument to someone who might switch. What specifically are the differences? The last time this topic came up someone told me I was a total noob because I didn’t know how to use search and that was basically the extent of it.

Google gives me bad results. It ignores some of the words in my queries, and the context boxes are generally spammy and irrelevant. Even if the correct information is somewhere in the results page, I bounce before I can find it.

From what I can tell from the article, this might be because I type too much stuff into the search bar, and because Google’s manually curated semantic web stuff is not relevant to me.

However, I’m really not sure why I can’t use Google anymore. It was better when I switched away, so I definitely used to be able to use it (I didn’t log in back then either).

Ddg is fine, and more respectful to its users. I don’t have a practical reason to figure out what the problem is.

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

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It used to be that Google would handle unstructured queries better for me, but lately things I'm looking for are, without explanation, invisible, or demoted to the fifth or sixth page.

For me at least, the average search result quality from DuckDuckGo for me is better than Google.

I think there three main difficult scenarios remaining with DuckDuckGo:

1) If your query is very abstract, and you don't know what to call the thing you're talking about, DuckDuckGo will less often be able to figure out what you're talking about.

2) If your query is not in English, Chinese, or Russian (and probably a handful of other languages which they/their vendors support well), it may have a hard time making your query general enough to return results.

3) If you really care about local results, you may not be satisfied unless you provide location information in the query, and maybe not even then.

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