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Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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That just makes it super extra illegal.

IANAL, but my understanding is: - lots of allowances are declared by employers in their handbooks in the US. - unless there are specific union restrictions and/or state provisions, it is probably not illegal

OK, so the USA is mostly a dystopian corporate hellscape. Not that surprising, I guess.

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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One of the worst things I've seen at an employer was more than one SSO. That's when you know the people paying your wages are truly dysfunctional. Because of course Fiefdom A doesn't want Fiefdom B's SSO to be used by their systems, that gives the person ruling Fiefdom B power - so instead get a separate SSO, what do you mean that's missing the point? If I worked for an SSO provider I think I'd be tempted to exponten…

I’ve mainly seen that situation in post M&A environments, and while fiefdoms are often a part of the problem, untangling auth across multiple enterprise systems is really hard.

The fiefdoms I'm thinking of were created naturally inside the organisation, not acquired. Somebody's power grows, a department with ten people becomes a business unit with a thousand people due to its success, other managers resent that, and senior management mistakes this as an opportunity for "internal competition" rather than a dysfunction which needs to be crushed, if necessary by terminating those who promote it.

Lots of things are hard about M&A but it's made easier if people remember from the outset that their business exists in the world. You don't have and can't build a business which functions independently from the world, stop trying. On the technology side that means things like using FQDNs in URLs (https://webinar.mycorp.example/2020-New-Products not https://webinar/2020-New-Products)

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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That number doesn't surprise me. Your quick $1000-$2000 estimate is probably accurate for a typical office worker, but the more specialized positions skew the average. I work in mechanical/aerospace engineering for a large company. A lot of the software we use is very specialized and very costly. Here's the yearly costs from the top 4 softwares I use based on a quick google search: 1) $35,000 2) $15,000 3) $10,000 4)…

That's per license, per employee? Or company-wide license fee? If the latter, you still need to divide by the total number of users of the product.

That is per seat license.

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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I am a big fan of sheets, but it is not Excel. Some of the functions are missing after all these years, not to mention charts and pivots. I think Google gave up on trying to compete with excel on features.

The overwhelming majority of people who double click the Excel icon would be equally well served by sheets or localc. It's fine if you're an analyst and are more productive with Excel, but if you're the rest of us, it doesn't matter what spreadsheet app you use. For most of us, a spreadsheet is a spreadsheet and don't need anything more complicated than sum(). In most companies, it's silly to have Office installed by…

i think you are severely underestimating the amount of people whose entire job is excel

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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Is this sarcasm? Steam has been the only consistent video game Cloud SAAS in the past 10 years.Can you name one time that the service was down without warning/proper recourse, had a data breach, exceeded SLAs, etc? Also, valve's ther ventures are....massively successful. The microtransaction model in gaming originated with Valve, and now the entire mobile and freemium gaming markets use that business model. So in thi…

> team has been the only consistent video game Cloud SAAS in the past 10 years. Xbox Live.

The title of this thread is "Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions", and this comment thread delved into cloud SAAS providers with a flat org structure.

Steam/valve was brought up because they have a successful cloud SASS model with no subscriptions oand a flat org structure.

Xbox live has a subscription fee since day 1, is maintained by MS (the definition of "non-flat organizational structure"), and is vendor locked. Not even remotely comparable.

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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Not sure I understand you. From your post, it sounds like you have beef with people who complain about SaaS costs, when many SaaS products are arguably cheap, cover valuable functions like DBAs used to, and allows many companies to get off the ground in the first place? All while proponents of SaaS are fundamentally no different than companies like SAP or Hedge funds that are making billions via rent-seeking off open…

> Companies complaining that SaaS is cutting into their profit margins, are no different than ones complaining that their IT department is cutting into their profit margins. You’re betraying a fundamental misunderstanding of how software deployments work for most businesses. Theoretically, the choice is between an expensive SaaS product and its equivalent OSS product which would need to be deployed in house. What thi…

Totally agree regarding IT effectiveness.

Outside of the tech sector, many businesses choose a saas product because they want IT to have nothing to do with it.

Outsourced IT can be difficult to work with (under statement), nearly as if they’re not on the same team...

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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This article is painfully stupid. I don't mean wrong; it's actually intellectually insulting to the reader. "And we still don’t know where this is going." Spare us. First of all, being able to build an entire company faster and cheaper than ever before by taking advantage of a massive ecosystem of SaaS tools isn't just worth millions, it's the only reason many companies can get off the ground. Second, SaaS tools have…

> Second, SaaS tools have displaced entire categories of information workers that you no longer need to have in your org chart. Remember DBAs? There's an entire generation of entrepreneurs that do not.

This is a very good point, but if you use several of these SaaS, you're paying each one for their information workers. This is the same problem that makes expensive to have many streaming services for your home.

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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I know you are trying to be snarky but Valve has accomplished a hell of a lot more than most startups ever will. They are far from perfect (hell, they’re known for bugs and their famously poor timelines, and I heard their game Artifact was not good,) but it’s pretty bizarre to suggest they do nothing. Maintaining Steam alone is huge. It’s hard to find a platform with more vigorous fanboys for good reason. But that al…

Fascinating article by Zvi (a very accomplished Magic: the Gathering player) about Artifact. https://thezvi.wordpress.com/2019/10/08/artifact-what-went-w... Summary: the game was brilliant ("uniquely amazing") if you were really good at it but was essentially impossible to get into, and its economy was badly constructed.

Discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199134 a few months ago.

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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I like your first sentence, but unsarcastically. Companies should always strive to do more with fewer employees by automating them away. As for the rest of your argument, most people are not like you, as they will not want to spend time setting up their own mail server. For companies this is doubly true, as they will likely spend more money setting it up, maintaining it, and upgrading it, than the subscription actual…

> Companies should always strive to do more with fewer employees by automating them away. I wonder if those same companies intend to socialize the wealth generated by their automation.

Of course not, there is no incentive to do so. Until there is, nothing will change. I am all for socialization of wealth, as money in circulation boosts the economy more than hoarding it, but I just don't understand how people can say that companies should (morally) socialize their wealth "out of the goodness of their hearts" without some incentive. Companies, like all organizations of individual agents, do not have collective morals. They are merely machinations that have the sole fitness function of increasing wealth, at whatever cost. If we take this to be true, why exactly would, without another fitness function, a company socialize wealth?
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