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That number doesn't surprise me. Your quick $1000-$2000 estimate is probably accurate for a typical office worker, but the more specialized positions skew the average. I work in mechanical/aerospace engineering for a large company. A lot of the software we use is very specialized and very costly. Here's the yearly costs from the top 4 softwares I use based on a quick google search: 1) $35,000 2) $15,000 3) $10,000 4)…
Even for a typical office worker, based on my experience at a large company, there might be 10 to 20 enterprise apps that include: * Tracking work hours * Communicating within teams * Entering and managing yearly performance reviews * Managing IT tickets * Catching spyware, phishing, etc. * Key and click logging * Personality and other screenings for job candidates * Health insurance management * Jira being used outs…
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Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)
#392Look, either it's worth it or it's not. Costs may be soaring, but companies wouldn't be buying them if they weren't providing more value than they cost. But: > enterprise companies are spending an average of more than $10,000 per employee per year on software Sorry but I can't wrap my head around this. Is that really accurate? Between Office and cloud and HR/payroll and a few other tools I can imagine $1,000 /year. A…
We - at Okta - publish a report on this every year. Here's the January 2020 study: https://www.okta.com/businesses-at-work/2020 A key finding: "Over the years, we’ve seen app adoption steadily rise, across all industries and company sizes. This year, the average number of apps per customer reached 88: that’s a 6% increase from 83 apps a year ago, and a 21% increase from 72 apps three years ago. And now 10% of our cus…
Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)
#393First of all, being able to build an entire company faster and cheaper than ever before by taking advantage of a massive ecosystem of SaaS tools isn't just worth millions, it's the only reason many companies can get off the ground.
Second, SaaS tools have displaced entire categories of information workers that you no longer need to have in your org chart. Remember DBAs? There's an entire generation of entrepreneurs that do not.
Third, do you know how much it costs to deploy SAP into a company and keep it running for five years? Roughly $10M. https://blog.cfbs-us.com/blog-1/how-much-is-erp That's a fuck of a lot of Twilio.
Fourth, and the reason this "journalism" is making me #ragequit, is that business types have been making literally billions of dollars on the backs of open source software for decades, and they pearl clutch when someone takes that free code, attaches customer service to it and tries to build a sustainable business.
The problem is not the supposedly rising costs of SaaS, it's the notion that hedge funds can use free software to legally steal without even pretending to contribute to the projects and infrastructures that make their operations possible.
If you ever encounter someone complaining that SaaS is cutting into their profit margins, please give them an earful for me.
Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)
#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
That number doesn't surprise me. Your quick $1000-$2000 estimate is probably accurate for a typical office worker, but the more specialized positions skew the average. I work in mechanical/aerospace engineering for a large company. A lot of the software we use is very specialized and very costly. Here's the yearly costs from the top 4 softwares I use based on a quick google search: 1) $35,000 2) $15,000 3) $10,000 4)…
Even for a typical office worker, based on my experience at a large company, there might be 10 to 20 enterprise apps that include: * Tracking work hours * Communicating within teams * Entering and managing yearly performance reviews * Managing IT tickets * Catching spyware, phishing, etc. * Key and click logging * Personality and other screenings for job candidates * Health insurance management * Jira being used outs…
If you suspect that your current or former employer is monitoring people's keystrokes, please contact the appropriate authorities to start a whistleblower process.
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> Companies should always strive to do more with fewer employees by automating them away. I wonder if those same companies intend to socialize the wealth generated by their automation.
I think we've reached peak Hacker News. This is now looking like Slashdot.
Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)
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#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even for a typical office worker, based on my experience at a large company, there might be 10 to 20 enterprise apps that include: * Tracking work hours * Communicating within teams * Entering and managing yearly performance reviews * Managing IT tickets * Catching spyware, phishing, etc. * Key and click logging * Personality and other screenings for job candidates * Health insurance management * Jira being used outs…
Keylogging is illegal almost everywhere. If you suspect that your current or former employer is monitoring people's keystrokes, please contact the appropriate authorities to start a whistleblower process.
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Then what happens is somebody making $100+/hour would spend several hours to do the job that would be covered by a tool that costs under $50/month. It's never that simple, though, is it? Suppose that tool solves a problem that a $100/hour employee would have solved manually in a day. How long did it take the employee to identify and choose the tool, arrange the purchase, and then learn to solve the problem using it?…
On the other side of that equation, what you would hope is that your $50/month is buying you a subscription to steadily increased functionality over time. That's something your $1000 up-front payment wouldn't get you, and it helps offset the initial on-boarding costs. It's also probably true that once your one employee has gone through the selection, learning, and purchasing process, getting subsequent users on-board…
Some people might hope for that. Personally, if I'm buying a tool for professional use, I want to choose my preferred one and then have it be reliable and future-proof. Things like security updates are one thing, but the last thing I want is random changes in functionality or UI being forced on me.
This worked just fine in the traditional model where you bought a version of some software, and then if there was another version released later with something more that you wanted and adequate compatibility, you bought the upgrade too. The user gets stability and new developments if they want them. The developer gets paid for new developments, though only if they are actually valuable to users. No-one gets forced into anything unexpected changing, or going missing, or breaking compatibility.
Tragically, the whole SaaS, insta-deploy anything we feel like culture that has evolved in recent years has utterly destroyed that stability and reliability. I regard this as possibly the biggest retrograde step in the history of personal computing (and that "possibly" is mostly because the walled garden culture that has also become so powerful in recent years might be a larger backward step).
Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)
#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
Keylogging is illegal almost everywhere. If you suspect that your current or former employer is monitoring people's keystrokes, please contact the appropriate authorities to start a whistleblower process.
Keylogging of any company provided hardware is probably legal as you have no expectation of privacy.
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#400Earlier quoted context omitted.
Keylogging is illegal almost everywhere. If you suspect that your current or former employer is monitoring people's keystrokes, please contact the appropriate authorities to start a whistleblower process.
Keylogging of any company provided hardware is probably legal as you have no expectation of privacy.