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Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by SyneRyder »

cirno wrote: post #128
jdminhbg wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nothing will stop stalkers from crawling stories with archive.is or even just taking screenshots. What stops this is not being interesting at the time you post. So if you're some random high school kid in 2020 who posts something stupid, nobody is going to obsessively catalog what you say in case you become an NFL quarterback or a congressperson in 2030.

That was true of the old internet, and might possibly be true still, but not for long. Nowadays we have archive.org and people who wish to datamine and hoard things. I can absolutely see someone coming out with a search interface to browse through peoples' Twitter stories that they've secretly been archiving for years with a small bot scraper. The guy running archive.is has been spending thousands of dollars a month…

> That was true of the old internet...

Not even really true of the old internet, depending how far back you want to go. Remember there are entire archives of Geocities, and everyone was frantically archiving the entire Yahoo Groups. There was the Dejanews archive of Usenet, and so on.

The idea that "I'm not important enough" needs to disappear. It doesn't matter if you're important or not to automated bots.

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by johnchristopher »

shanev wrote: post #15

This will be popular, and might even replace regular usage, as Stories have in Instagram. It'll enable people to be more authentic, transparent, and casual. It will help counter Twitter getting increasingly LinkedIn-like. I made an app called Blink that did exactly this a few years ago: https://www.producthunt.com/upcoming/blink . Build it and they will come, not :)

> It'll enable people to be more authentic, transparent, and casual.

Right. /s

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by tehjoker »

shanev wrote: post #15

This will be popular, and might even replace regular usage, as Stories have in Instagram. It'll enable people to be more authentic, transparent, and casual. It will help counter Twitter getting increasingly LinkedIn-like. I made an app called Blink that did exactly this a few years ago: https://www.producthunt.com/upcoming/blink . Build it and they will come, not :)

If you think twitter is getting like LinkedIn, you gotta start following some more interesting people! It's the wildest thing I've ever seen almost every day.

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by ohmaigad »

luckylion wrote: post #52
Zenst wrote: post #6

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I concur about preventing, though T&C's could enable policing. Also a nice (c) notice would enable self-policing upon such infractions to some extent. But certainly it will not be a fluid process currently. Let's see if they update T&C's to accommodate that aspect.

Copyrighting tweets? I love the idea as a demonstration of the absurd extent of copyright, but I'd expect virtually no tweets to be considered copyrightable.

This idea has been looked at - https://copyrightalliance.org/ca_faq_post/tweet-protected-co... Seems that if you posted an original joke it should be copyrightable.

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by RandallBrown »

johnchristopher wrote: post #132
shanev wrote: post #15

This will be popular, and might even replace regular usage, as Stories have in Instagram. It'll enable people to be more authentic, transparent, and casual. It will help counter Twitter getting increasingly LinkedIn-like. I made an app called Blink that did exactly this a few years ago: https://www.producthunt.com/upcoming/blink . Build it and they will come, not :)

> It'll enable people to be more authentic, transparent, and casual. Right. /s

Is this not how your friends use Instagram stories?

My friends will mostly post one or two amazing photos from their trip/event/whatever, then post various stories showing lots of casual moments along the way.

Some people put a LOT of effort into their story, but from watching most of my friends, and what I myself do, it's usually pretty casual.

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by piokoch »

Why Techcrunch can get away with such obvious GDPR violation. First, by default I am opt-in to being tracked, secondly I don't even have a way to opt-out. I can only say ok or "manage" my permissions, and managing throws me inside endless loop of screens that does not have opt-out button anyway...

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by RandallBrown »

badfrog wrote: post #77
ceejayoz wrote: post #75

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If it's not on the website it'll be DOA.

Facebook usage is > 80% mobile, and they often don't bother adding features to the website. Do you have reason to believe that Twitter is different?

What features aren't available on the website that are available in the mobile app?

I've seen some news stuff that isn't I suppose, but not much actual functionality.

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by wildpeaks »

soneca wrote: post #91

I wonder why social media in general enforces everything to be ephemeral. Sure, Stories are specific about it, but even regular old posts in Facebook, Instagram, Twitter are very hard to track and consume. They are there, you can search if you are looking for something specific, a Facebook resurface some old memory for you when an algorithm decides it should. But they are not made to be a memory repository for users.…

Because FOMO increases engagement, which means bigger ad sales: the user has to keep coming back or they miss the ephemeral content, same reason F2P-style games have daily activities.

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by Zenst »

jeromegv wrote: post #104
Zenst wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I concur about preventing, though T&C's could enable policing. Also a nice (c) notice would enable self-policing upon such infractions to some extent. But certainly it will not be a fluid process currently. Let's see if they update T&C's to accommodate that aspect.

Because the other twitter terms and conditions on harassment are so well policed. That some people are concerned about screenshots instead of bullying, harassment, etc that we see every day on the platform is quite something.

Well, you often find screenshots ARE used for harassment in as stealth retweets that make it hard for the original poster to counter the re-contexting and perversion of what they wrote.

That happens all the time, so yeah - it is a tool used to bully and harass, used all the time upon twitter.

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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Post by SomewhatLikely »

kabacha wrote: post #125
kevinstubbs wrote: post #74

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Why can't it be prevented? Doesn't seem like they should have much difficulty recognizing that it was a screenshot of a "fleet", but other commenters make it sound like it's too difficult. So I'm wondering what others are taking into account that I'm missing.

How exactly would twitter know if something is screenshotted? The way snapchat does this is check screenshots folder for new files while you are watching the story - to avoid this all you need is an different screenshot app that saves screenshots somewhere else. Now twitter has multiple apps, multiple platforms including desktop. You'd need some absurd DRM that would be broken anyway to enforce this.

It may be possible to watermark the ux so that at least posting the screenshot could be blocked on their own platform.
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