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Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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I've thought a lot about this recently. A large portion of people hate social artifacts. They don't want to have their picture taken. They don't want to be recorded on audio or video. They don't want their daily utterances to be a matter of record. They want comfort and low stakes. A performance can be evaluated in the moment. An artifact (a recording of that performance) can be scrutinized forever, even by people wh…

> They don't want their daily utterances to be a matter of record. Experience being stalked and harassed online for years and you'll hate it as well. Imagine in your 30s having your job threatened because you made a dumb post when you were a teenager, and no one will ever let it go or accept that people change. Many people are uninteresting, and never have this experience. Celebrities have large support networks and…

> Nothing will stop stalkers from crawling stories with archive.is or even just taking screenshots.

That assumes many things, the first being that someone thinks you're important enough to archive, and that you were important enough to archive long ago. This is exceedingly rare for that middle ground you're discussing.

You're right in that anything CAN be saved if its online and someone is motivated enough, but the added resistance ephemerality adds protects most people. You're talking a very narrow use case, and in that case it should be obvious your internet world is public realm. All of these points you're making rely on extreme stalking already happening. Not only stalking, but archiving of that stalking.

For the vast majority of people and the vast majority of their posts, ephemeral content actually does disappear. Especially on mobile platforms that aren't really archived like the web is. Ephemerality doesn't save you from crossing lines (plenty of teens have gotten in trouble over Snapchat messages in various forms), but the generally mundane harmless stuff goes away and can never be later used to misconstrue or define who you are.

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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what I would to see from twitter is something for "blog" tweets - a "single" tweet spread across 3-30 individual tweets. the structure of individual tweets makes them terribly hard to read, but I feel like I've seen enough of them to say it's something in their interest to support

I just want an official way to link to a thread to emphasize "no, I want you to read the whole thread" as opposed to "no, I want you to read the first tweet." Sometimes I just want to share one specific thing, or the whole thread, but it's ambiguous when people click the link which one I was trying to share with them.

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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I honestly couldn't disagree more with this assessment of "stories". Stories are great for the platform. They drive user engagement, and, hence, advertising. As far as I can tell, they're terrible for the users. You have to constantly be active to not miss something, you can't just check back in after a few days. For some reason, comments are private only, which is almost never what I want -- as a poster, as a commen…

I find that Instagram stories, being ephemeral (they disappear after 24 hours) have done a lot do reduce the impact of "instagram perfection". You get to see a bit more of people's real, everyday lives. You're right that you miss things if you don't check it at the right time, but that's ok, you don't have to see everything.

+1 to "you don't have to see everything" Isn't it already assumed that Twitter's feed algorithms isn't showing you "everything" you want to see. There is always stuff you'll miss? What is different about missing a story?

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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why not have a edit history but still show the most recent tweet at the time?

It doesn't mesh well with the retweet functionality if a user can retroactively change the content.

Then have the retweet keep the "version" of the tweet that they retweeted, maybe with a flag to say "this tweet has since been changed"?

Re: Twitter starts testing 'Fleets,' its version of Stories

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've thought a lot about this recently. A large portion of people hate social artifacts. They don't want to have their picture taken. They don't want to be recorded on audio or video. They don't want their daily utterances to be a matter of record. They want comfort and low stakes. A performance can be evaluated in the moment. An artifact (a recording of that performance) can be scrutinized forever, even by people wh…

> They don't want their daily utterances to be a matter of record. Experience being stalked and harassed online for years and you'll hate it as well. Imagine in your 30s having your job threatened because you made a dumb post when you were a teenager, and no one will ever let it go or accept that people change. Many people are uninteresting, and never have this experience. Celebrities have large support networks and…

> Nothing will stop stalkers from crawling stories with archive.is or even just taking screenshots.

What stops this is not being interesting at the time you post. So if you're some random high school kid in 2020 who posts something stupid, nobody is going to obsessively catalog what you say in case you become an NFL quarterback or a congressperson in 2030.

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