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Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by lotsofpulp »

mitchty wrote: post #33
Dirlewanger wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may be true, but Democrats will at least be more ostensibly receptive of the issue. Bernie Sanders makes it an explicit point on his campaign website. I'm guessing other candidates have as well.

> That may be true, but Democrats will at least be more ostensibly receptive of the issue. Bernie Sanders makes it an explicit point on his campaign website. I'm guessing other candidates have as well. As someone that grew up in a pure Red state for decades and grew up on a farm/ranch, there is zero chance of them voting Democrats for the reasons you think they should. Want to know at least one reason why? Know those…

> Farmers like those subsidies, they're a good thing. City people hate them, think they're a bad thing "we spend taxes for farm states"

Could it be because those same farmers turn around and vote against government handouts for everyone else?

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by asdfasdf1231 »

The perverse incentives that nobody spell out: this is good for monopolies.

from soy farmers in brazil to local contractors bidding on government road work in new york. Everywhere the bigger company, that can have several more machines than it need for the daily operation, all leased with warranty, will destroy the competition that can't lease because of bad credit etc and so will have downtime/missed deadlines/lost harvests because they cannot get repairs on time.

Some big pockets benefit a LOT from all this, not just the dealers.

Also, the root cause for this was when car dealerships start doing this with cars and nobody cared.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by kls »

magduf wrote: post #22
zrail wrote: post #13

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BSD didn’t need legislation but it did need a long legal process to resolve in its favor.

I think there's even a theory that one of the reasons BSD is a small niche OS and Linux powers the world is because BSD was tied up in litigation for a while.

I don't know if it's a theory as so much as it actually happened. I remember the SCO lawsuits and it scared a lot of people away from BSD, the user base was a decent portion on free *nix at the time and it was virtually overnight Linux became the uncontested dominate force when that happened. SCO had a huge chilling effect on BSD which was it's intention all along.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by Dirlewanger »

mitchty wrote: post #33
Dirlewanger wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may be true, but Democrats will at least be more ostensibly receptive of the issue. Bernie Sanders makes it an explicit point on his campaign website. I'm guessing other candidates have as well.

> That may be true, but Democrats will at least be more ostensibly receptive of the issue. Bernie Sanders makes it an explicit point on his campaign website. I'm guessing other candidates have as well. As someone that grew up in a pure Red state for decades and grew up on a farm/ranch, there is zero chance of them voting Democrats for the reasons you think they should. Want to know at least one reason why? Know those…

Relax, I know there's zero chance of said farmers voting Democrat, that's why I have no sympathy for them on this particular issue; they'll continue to vote for representatives that largely don't give a shit about this issue.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by trianglem »

hinkley wrote: post #43
failrate wrote: post #19

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That market is exclusively vintage vehicles. The new tractor market is dominated by large companies using DRM. The scale of these vehicles is probably greater than you think.

Combine prices in particular are just staggeringly high. It's little wonder to me how so many farmers have trouble making ends meet.

Why can’t you just use foreign made combines like from India or China?

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by imglorp »

rasz wrote: post #48
imglorp wrote: post #7

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It's also about serial number encoded parts. The computer will only accept licensed ones it recognizes. Apple plays the same shitty game to keep you from replacing easy components yourself. Louis Rossman has testified to Congress on the matter.

so does Raspberry Pi Foundation https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1088506051295567872

Why? Just to single source the camera?

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by anoncake »

kls wrote: post #53
magduf wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's even a theory that one of the reasons BSD is a small niche OS and Linux powers the world is because BSD was tied up in litigation for a while.

I don't know if it's a theory as so much as it actually happened. I remember the SCO lawsuits and it scared a lot of people away from BSD, the user base was a decent portion on free *nix at the time and it was virtually overnight Linux became the uncontested dominate force when that happened. SCO had a huge chilling effect on BSD which was it's intention all along.

Unless you have proof (not just evidence) it remains q theory.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by rootusrootus »

imglorp wrote: post #56
rasz wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so does Raspberry Pi Foundation https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1088506051295567872

Why? Just to single source the camera?

Yes, to preserve the income from selling the cameras, to pay for the R&D.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by dreamcompiler »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #20
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #15

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Yeah I'm not sure I understand the problem; the US is a free market, there are a lot of investors and a lot of engineers out there, why aren't there competitors putting John Deere out of business with products that the farmers do want? Or are JD tractors so far ahead of any competition that their customers just suck it up? There has to be some anti-competitive lock-in for that to be a thing.

Building tractors efficiently at scale is not an easy task and requires lots of investment and experience. John Deere has decades of experience in production, building supplier networks and dealer networks and making tractors reliable. This is very hard to build up quickly and very expensive. Big hardware is much more difficult than for example software or small consumer devices. That’s why we barely see any new car…

Decades? John Deere has been in business for 183 years. That said, I think most of their products today are overpriced and under-reliable, and they richly deserve to be disrupted.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Post by imglorp »

rootusrootus wrote: post #58
imglorp wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Just to single source the camera?

Yes, to preserve the income from selling the cameras, to pay for the R&D.

Just speaking for myself, I'd rather pay a dollar or two more for an unencumbered Pi than have any restrictions on how I can use it.
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