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flu mortality is about 0.1% though, like Covid, varies by age group/pre-existing. Also varies by strain/year
The parent's point is about the metric of "death rate for severe cases", which is ambiguous depending on how you define severe. You could pick a definition of severe such that the death rate is 100%, but that wouldn't be super useful.
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Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic
#232Looking at this thread as an interesting datapoint. Typically HN is thoughtful, well reasoned, and well informed. This thread is not holding that same level. Wonder what this says about the level of concern over this bug.
This has been true of every HN thread in the past week or two relating to COVID-19. The typical objectivity you see among the usual audience has disappeared.
Concerning.
Thanks for sharing.
Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic
#233Looking at this thread as an interesting datapoint. Typically HN is thoughtful, well reasoned, and well informed. This thread is not holding that same level. Wonder what this says about the level of concern over this bug.
It says approximately nothing unless you're somehow tracking individual users' behavior over time. - - - - Don't panic. Stay home and encourage others to stay home. We can't stop the virus (yet) but we can slow it down and buy time. "The only way to fight a pandemic is decency." (I'll link to the source if I can find it, I think it was an article in the Atlantic that went by here on HN this week.)
And yes, avoidance behaviors will dramatically slow community spread.
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#234Yes. It is worse than a regular flu. But, if you look at statistics from S. Korea, the only country with a substantial infection and trust worthy numbers (as in they test heavily), the death rate is around 0.6% overall. So not the end of the world, but nothing to be complacent about either. If the White house will get out of the way and let the system work, we may still have time to mitigate the worst here in the USA…
You don't trust Italy with their numbers? Last time I checked it was around 3% there. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-deaths-ch...
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#235I know Derek Lowe is an expert. However, sometimes, experts think that because things have always been a certain way throughout their career, they will always be like that. Drug development has been very conservative especially in the US for the past several decades. The FDA is all about making sure they never have a thalidomide incident and would rather lose a lot of good drugs than approve a bad drug. This is the s…
`...would rather lose a lot of good drugs than approve a bad drug.` Thanks for saying this, and rightfully so! Approving a bad drug in the world where distribution channels are very well set up could have disastrous effects. We can point to things like the opioid crisis in the USA right now - a drug that is so addictive it should have never been put into use the way it was.
Denialism's Michael Specter disagrees. Vioxx was one solution to the pain problem but 2.4% of participants showed heart problems when using it, so it was pulled off shelves. That's like saying no, 97.6% of the population can't have penicillin because 2.4% are allergic to it.
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#236This post has 164 points and 204 comments in 3 hours, and is on the second page? Do I fundamentally misunderstand how this works?
Re: Get Real: no drug or vaccine will avoid a very big coronavirus epidemic
#237This post has 164 points and 204 comments in 3 hours, and is on the second page? Do I fundamentally misunderstand how this works?
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sources? It seems far too early and there isn't enough reliable observational data, much less scientific trial data, available for broad "scientific agreement". Although obviously the accuracy of China's data is in question, it's promising that they were able to get the reproduction rate below 1 pretty quickly. And within Wuhan itself the spreading seems to have slowed with something like 0.6% of the population of 11…
Wuhan is your reference? China too? Aren't they putting pretty severe quarantine in Wuhan? Aren't their quarantine outside of Wuhan still quite strong? The Diamond Princess had a quarantine, and yet the infection reached 706 peoples, in a boat with 3711 peoples. Sure that's "only" 20%, but that seems to me like 40% isn't that far out if we are considering that it's hard to quarantine a whole country. The timeframe is…
But it’s working, and at this point I’d rather be here than in many other countries.
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#239Given that this is so similar to the previous SARS epidemic, how did that whole thing eventually end? Was a vaccine created? Did it just naturally fizzle out?
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
>You are downvoted for passing off your uneducated I asked her again, now it's confirmed it's Coronavirus. It takes time to get lab test, they can't confirm it immediately it seems for now.
It can't already be confirmed if the labtest is not completed yet. It sounds like you still misunderstood the nurse. They're doing a labtest for Coronavirus because she's been in contact with a nurse who's been in contact with a Coronavirus patient. It is just standard protocol to get tested in that case.