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Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by buzzkillington »

rolleiflex wrote: post #58

This is awful - I don’t think GCP is fully aware of their position in the market as the second, inferior choice. I took a bet on the underdog by using GCP and they bit me back in return. Especially considering their ‘default’ kubernetes config automatically sets you up with three(!) control planes in replication, that’s, as far as I understand, $~300 added to our monthly bill, for nothing. Oh, and per their docs, thr…

The projects I've been on that used GCP over AWS fell into two categories.

1). CEO with delusions of grandeur who thought that Amazon was a direct competitor to their business and should not be given money.

2). Projects that used Kubernetes.

Two is the only type of project which doesn't result in tens of millions of dollars wasted.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by sah2ed »

aludwin wrote: post #238
mrbrowning wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect I'm in the minority on this, but I would love for k8s to have hierarchical namespaces. As much as they add complexity, there are a lot of cases where they're just reifying complexity that's already there, like when deployments are namespaced by environment (e.g. "dev-{service}", "prod-{service}", etc.) and so the hierarchy is already present but flattened into an inaccessible string representation. There ar…

Hey - I'm a member of the multitenancy working group (wg-multitenancy). We're working on a project called the Hierarchical Namespace Controller (aka HNC - read about it at http://bit.ly/38YYhE0 ). This tries to add some hierarchical behaviour to K8s without actually modifying k/k, which means we're still forced to have unique names for all namespaces in a cluster - e.g., you still need dev-service and prod-service. B…

Any reason why you put your link behind a URL shortener besides tracking number of clicks?

Since there are no character limits to worry about here unlike Twitter, better to put up the full URL so the community can decide for themselves if the domain linked to is worth clicking through or not.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by TheFiend7 »

atombender wrote: post #289
thockingoog wrote: post #206

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If the main value of GKE over DIY is $73, you should totally DIY. I mostly try not to be too Google-focused here, but I have to say... I'm pretty proud of GKE, and I think it offers a lot of value other than just being cheap. Managing clusters is not always easy. GKE handles all of that for you - including integrations, qualifications, upgrades, and patching clusters transparently BEFORE public security disclosures h…

Just a data point: I'm the CTO at a very small company. All our stuff is running on GKE. Our monthly bill tends is a lot less than $10,000/mo. We're currently in the process of splitting our stack into separate projects and clusters, because co-locating projects in a single cluster has gotten messy. We'll probably end up with 4-5. That will increase our bill by $292/mo, worst case, assuming the first cluster is free.…

For sure, though I will say if you're trying to cut costs, it's my understanding serverless is quite cheap. So if you can turn some of your services into serverless containers/functions. I'd highly recommend it.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by [deleted] »

asdfman123 wrote: post #201
croh wrote: post #173

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For last 7 years I am running DO and never had any issue. I never understand why it is looked down. In fact I have faced so many issues with AWS (particulary their old hardward). In one case, our ec2 instance was rebooting frequently. AWS team didn't accept any issue from there end and after few weeks ask us to upgrade instace because of bad health. In my experience, AWS is a very expensive cloud with clunky UI and b…

I recently tried to spin up a VM for my own use in AWS, but I had to do a rate increase because I wanted a beefier machine. Easy peasy. My experience was comically bad. ====================== First email from AWS (several days after my request): ====================== Thank you for submitting your Limi Increase request. I'm contacting your to inform you that we've received your Workspaces Application Manager - Total…

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Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by donmcronald »

Glyptodon wrote: post #193
sethvargo wrote: post #4

Hey everyone - Seth from Google here. Please let us know if you have any questions! You can learn more about the pricing changes at https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/pricing .

This change is pretty huge for non-revenue units & small teams at institutions and SMBs. These smaller teams often seem to run two clusters rather than try to split their production and dev environments within one cluster (I think this is even widely recommended for smaller, less experienced outfits). For many the management fee will probably be a large percentage cost increase for units that are very cost sensitive…

Yeah. Having 1 free cluster will just encourage SMBs and hobbyists to resort to the bad practice of commingling dev and production, wont it? It's the same attitude that GitLab has with a lot of their CI stuff. It's not only huge enterprises that want to try to follow best practices.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by blibble »

marcinzm wrote: post #60

I don't offhand remember AWS increasing prices for a service before but I might be wrong. How often does Google increase prices? For a business I prefer a company that starts with higher prices and then only lowers them to one that may increase them at any time.

they added IPv4 address rental costs earlier this year, nearly doubling the cost of a small VM

with no IPv6 option (of course)

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by sneak »

developerdylan wrote: post #55
jeroenvisser101 wrote: post #21

> Last modified: November 27, 2018 | Previous Versions > As of November 28, 2017, Google Kubernetes Engine no longer charges a flat fee per hour per cluster for cluster management, regardless of cluster size, as provided at https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/pricing . Accordingly, Google no longer offers a financially-backed service level agreement for the Google Kubernetes Engine service. The service availab…

Google, walking back their commitment to software? gasp

https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/12341533883188715...

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by aludwin »

sah2ed wrote: post #302
aludwin wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey - I'm a member of the multitenancy working group (wg-multitenancy). We're working on a project called the Hierarchical Namespace Controller (aka HNC - read about it at http://bit.ly/38YYhE0 ). This tries to add some hierarchical behaviour to K8s without actually modifying k/k, which means we're still forced to have unique names for all namespaces in a cluster - e.g., you still need dev-service and prod-service. B…

Any reason why you put your link behind a URL shortener besides tracking number of clicks? Since there are no character limits to worry about here unlike Twitter, better to put up the full URL so the community can decide for themselves if the domain linked to is worth clicking through or not.

Nope (other than that Google Docs URLs are looong), sorry.

Friendly docs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R4rwTweYBWYDTC9UC-qThaMk...

Code: https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/multi-tenancy/tree/master...

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by trilinearnz »

rolleiflex wrote: post #58

This is awful - I don’t think GCP is fully aware of their position in the market as the second, inferior choice. I took a bet on the underdog by using GCP and they bit me back in return. Especially considering their ‘default’ kubernetes config automatically sets you up with three(!) control planes in replication, that’s, as far as I understand, $~300 added to our monthly bill, for nothing. Oh, and per their docs, thr…

Who would be the first choice: Amazon or Microsoft?

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Post by yetanotherme »

freedomben wrote: post #174
lazyier wrote: post #148

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Kubespray works well for me for setting up a bare bones kubernetes cluster for the lab. I'll use helm to install metallb for the load balancer, which you can then tie into whatever egress controller you like to use. For persistent storage a simple NFS server is the bees knees. Works very well and a NFS provisioned is a helm install. Very nice, especially, over 10GbE. Do NOT dismiss NFSv4. It's actually very nice for…

Have you used NFS for persistent storage in prod much? I know people do it, but numerous solutions architects have cautioned against it.

My experience with NFS over the years has taught me to avoid it. Yes, it mostly works. And then every once a while you have a client that either panics or hangs. Despite the versions of Linux, BSD, Solaris, Windows changing over the decades. The server end is usually a lot more stable. But that's of little to no comfort to know that yes, other clients are fine.

However, if you can tolerate client side failure then go for it.

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