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Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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I haven’t done cost calculations yet, but this might actually make me want to explore to EKS pricing. I do love the experience of GKE.

It's the same as the new pricing that EKS has at $0.10/hour. Guess that rules out my hopes of EKS not charging for the management plane any time in the near future. :'(

It's slightly different than other cloud pricing because we include a free zonal cluster as a hobby tier.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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This is really disappointing. GKE was a staple amongst Kubernetes adoption, not only for the feature-set but also that there were no overhead costs. I hope GCP re-thinks this.

For folks just trying it out, 1 cluster is still free.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Ah, the sound of former Oracle executives counting their GCP bonuses.

Why people think cloud providers are benevolent provider of infra is beyond me. Their margin is because people are willing to pay it. Either run your own metal (k8s arguably makes this easier than VMs along in the past) or form a cloud coop, but absolutely don't be shocked when a business is taking money off the table because they can.

Don't marry yourself to a provider, stay portable, it's just good risk management. Pricing changes? Spin up a cluster elsewhere, migrate data, migrate traffic, profit. The terms of the agreement can change at any time.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Wow, this is a huge bummer. A lot of our infrastructure assumptions have been based around having several small GKE clusters.

I think this trend is not good overall, and people will eventually be very unhappy with it. I'd rather help you figure out how to use fewer clusters.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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> Last modified: November 27, 2018 | Previous Versions > As of November 28, 2017, Google Kubernetes Engine no longer charges a flat fee per hour per cluster for cluster management, regardless of cluster size, as provided at https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/pricing . Accordingly, Google no longer offers a financially-backed service level agreement for the Google Kubernetes Engine service. The service availab…

Google, walking back their commitment to software? gasp

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the feedback. > Google's inability to actually commit to long term support... This is _exactly_ what Google is doing in this case. We are providing an SLA - a legal agreement of availability and support. These changes introduce a guaranteed availability of the management control plane.

Sure, in this case I can see that. I was referring to those four points with respect to Google services in general. I'm sure I don't need to dig up a list of features and services that have been merged, shuttered, price hiked or moved into a different product suite over the years. Admittedly a lot of the issues are with the GSuite side of things, but it's sad to see this coming to GCP as well. On a hopefully more con…

Even if your worker nodes are pre-emptible, the master nodes are not. The management fee covers running those master nodes and many other core GCP integrations (like Stackdriver logging and other advanced functionality). Billing is computed on a per-second basis for each cluster. The total amount will be rounded to the nearest penny at the end of the month.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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Note: Azure does not charge a master/cluster management fee (bias disclosure I work for Microsoft)

I'm not sure any provider appearing to capitalize on a momentary pricing decision is a great idea. All are too big and things change too fast for any crowing as if anything is a long term decision.

Replies on another thread by alleged Google employees appear to indicate they are learning on the fly that doing support matters and costs money.

There are a lot of comments from people wanting free things. You may get those things for a while but it won't last. Free only works for so long in anything no matter how hard that is for some people to figure out across all aspects of life.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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This is awful - I don’t think GCP is fully aware of their position in the market as the second, inferior choice. I took a bet on the underdog by using GCP and they bit me back in return. Especially considering their ‘default’ kubernetes config automatically sets you up with three(!) control planes in replication, that’s, as far as I understand, $~300 added to our monthly bill, for nothing.

Oh, and per their docs, three-control-planes decision is not reversible - I cannot in fact shut two of those down without shutting down my production cluster and starting a new one. https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/docs/concepts/typ...

Awful. Just so awful.

Edit: To answer some questions below - we have a single-tenant model where we run an instance of our async discussion tool (https://aether.app) per customer for better isolation, that’s why we had bought into Kubernetes / GCP. Since we have our own hypervisor inside the clusters, it makes me wonder whether we can just deploy multiple hypervisors into the same cluster, or remove the Kubernetes dependency and run this on a Docker runtime in a more classical environment.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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The guarantees for uptime with 99.5% for regional and 99.5% for zonal clusters seem pretty good. Is this above the average in terms of cloud providers?

Small typo: 99.95% for regional. It's similar to AWS with a 99.9% for EKS clusters. Also not sure what GKE's new SLA reimbursement structure will be going forwards.

Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6

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I don't offhand remember AWS increasing prices for a service before but I might be wrong. How often does Google increase prices?

For a business I prefer a company that starts with higher prices and then only lowers them to one that may increase them at any time.

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