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Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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I fully support Right to Repair movements. John Deere/Apple et. al doing this is pure unchecked corporate avarice.

With that said, I have a hard time feeling sympathetic for midwestern farmers. They most likely vote straight Republican every election, and I'm pretty sure fixing this problem is something their Congress reps don't care about too much.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is a legal one, force the companies to provide the software required for you to use your hardware. It is stupid as a user you can only see a red light and only an "authorized dealer" can plug a laptop and see the exact problem and detailed diagnostics. Without the law your open source software would be blocked by DRM and I am sure the companies would attempt to void your warranty if they can find you mod…

This again? The solution is almost never legislation. If just 20% of prospective buyers devoted 1/2 their budgets to a common open solution, they could break out. If there were a tiny company offering an old school model with modern features at a competitive price, that would be enough. Then, if farmers choose to lock themselves in, it would be a real choice and their own fault. BSD didn't need legislation. GNU didn'…

BSD didn’t need legislation but it did need a long legal process to resolve in its favor.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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I fully support Right to Repair movements. John Deere/Apple et. al doing this is pure unchecked corporate avarice. With that said, I have a hard time feeling sympathetic for midwestern farmers. They most likely vote straight Republican every election, and I'm pretty sure fixing this problem is something their Congress reps don't care about too much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_A...

> The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a 1998 United States copyright law that implements two 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). ... Passed on October 12, 1998, by a unanimous vote in the United States Senate and signed into law by President Bill Clinton on October 28, 1998

The political blame lies with both popular teams, as they both carry out the will of big business. They divide us over issues of taste, to push their dressed-up authoritarian agendas. Don't fall for it.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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post #12

There must be a market for repairable tractors and other farming machinery by now?

Yeah I'm not sure I understand the problem; the US is a free market, there are a lot of investors and a lot of engineers out there, why aren't there competitors putting John Deere out of business with products that the farmers do want?

Or are JD tractors so far ahead of any competition that their customers just suck it up? There has to be some anti-competitive lock-in for that to be a thing.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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post #12

There must be a market for repairable tractors and other farming machinery by now?

Yeah I'm not sure I understand the problem; the US is a free market, there are a lot of investors and a lot of engineers out there, why aren't there competitors putting John Deere out of business with products that the farmers do want? Or are JD tractors so far ahead of any competition that their customers just suck it up? There has to be some anti-competitive lock-in for that to be a thing.

My guess it patents are that system. Not tractors, but I did listen to a podcast about how one of the main toothbrush manufacturers used patents to crush a group of dentist trying to make a better toothbrush for cheap. The patent holders waited until the last minute so that the dentist already had sunk their money into product about to hit the market to get the courts to stop it.

We are now at the point patents hamper innovation.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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post #12

There must be a market for repairable tractors and other farming machinery by now?

That market is exclusively vintage vehicles. The new tractor market is dominated by large companies using DRM. The scale of these vehicles is probably greater than you think.

Re: Farmers are hacking their tractors because of a repair ban (2018) [video]

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post #12

There must be a market for repairable tractors and other farming machinery by now?

Yeah I'm not sure I understand the problem; the US is a free market, there are a lot of investors and a lot of engineers out there, why aren't there competitors putting John Deere out of business with products that the farmers do want? Or are JD tractors so far ahead of any competition that their customers just suck it up? There has to be some anti-competitive lock-in for that to be a thing.

Building tractors efficiently at scale is not an easy task and requires lots of investment and experience. John Deere has decades of experience in production, building supplier networks and dealer networks and making tractors reliable. This is very hard to build up quickly and very expensive.

Big hardware is much more difficult than for example software or small consumer devices.

That’s why we barely see any new car manufacturers either. Tesla may make it but it has taken them a very long time and very hard work.

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