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Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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Don't chase birds for fun

I didn't mention it, but a search for "waterfowl guide children" brought up 90% American sites about killing ducks . So chasing them seems like a minor issue. (Adding "site:uk" to the search gives 90% results about feeding ducks.) I can't find any official advice on whether chasing birds is considered healthy or harmful to either the child or the birds.

>I can't find any official advice on whether chasing birds is considered healthy or harmful to either the child or the birds.

I mean, wild animals generally don't like being disturbed. At best it stresses them. While the domain immediately screams bias, they cite sources: https://www.animal-ethics.org/wild-animal-suffering-section/...

The relevant bit there would be the 'frightening sounds'. A shouting/screaming child running at a bird isn't something that is normal for the bird.

Further reading:

- https://www.citylab.com/environment/2016/06/birds-city-healt...

- https://qz.com/726926/like-people-birds-that-live-in-the-cit...

- https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/jun/29/wildlife...

- https://www.mpg.de/533349/pressRelease20060901

- https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160620112028.h...

Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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I have 1, 3, and 4 year olds. The best directly STEM-related activity we've done so far is a soap making "science experiment" kit. The 3 and 4 year olds absolutely loved it.

It was super simple. The kit comes with soap cubes, dyes, fragrances, and glitter. You follow the instructions to melt the cubes, add the dyes and fragrances, pour them into a mold, then let it set. Then you've got a bar of soap.

I was surprised at just how many useful things they got out of it:

- Basic lab safety: Wearing gloves, goggles (if you have a set that fit), wafting to smell the fragrances, staying away from a heat source (the stove), etc.

- Basic mechanical skills and techniques: using a scale to measure the ingredients, using using a butter knife to cut the soap, double boiling, using graduated pipettes to measure the colors and fragrances

- Understanding of colors: The kit comes with a chart about how to mix the dyes to get different colors. The kids got excited to try out different combinations. If you have a mixing palette they can try out different things.

- Phase transitions and heat: You can explain how heat and phase transitions work when the soap melts. Plus they love to watch it melt (safely, using goggles and staying away from the heat). I encouraged them try different things to make the soap bars solidify faster - a small electric fan, putting it in the freezer (very carefully), etc.

All told it was super rewarding for me and they really enjoyed and got excited by it. They are still using the soap bars and asking to do it again weeks later. I'm sure my little discussions about things like heat and phase transitions won't stick, but I'm hoping if we do it a few times having the terms and techniques bouncing around in their heads may help them a bit in the future.

The 4 year old got the most out of it, but the 3 year old was right there with her in the mix. The 3 year old couldn't handle things like reading the scale and pipettes, but I felt like she still got a lot out of it.

Other recommendations:

- Marble games and legos. Get sets with directions and encourage them to follow the directions. My 4 year old can now build pretty complex marble games and lego sets by carefully following the directions. She started when she was about 3.5 yrs old. Personally I think they get more out of the small legos (not duplos) once they hit about 3 and aren't going to just eat them.

- I agree with the magnet tiles, those are nice.

- They never seem to get much out of puzzles. They require too much self-direction, it's too easy to fail, and they just don't hold their interest. Maybe when they are older.

- Hydroponics kits like AeroGarden. Make them do all the work (plug it in, add water, add plant food, add seed pods). Explain what's going on. My 3-4 yr olds got very excited to watch the plants grow day-by-day and enjoyed adding water/plant food when needed. I would use an aerogarden type thing because at this age failure = no interest, and you basically can't screw up an aerogarden absent adding too much plant food.

Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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LEGO! Either traditional Lego (they have some Junior sets that are perfect to have them build along with a parent at that age) or Duplo. It's led to hours and hours of fun with my 2.5 year old. Even larger Lego sets he enjoys helping me build. And then he builds his own creations after!

> It's led to hours and hours of fun with my 2.5 year old.

This is important ingredient, playing with your kid is the most stimulating environment for them to grow.

Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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Three seems a little young for STEM. Maybe something like Playskool Explore 'N Grow Busy Gears? Or the larger size legos (Duplo)?

I have 1, 3 and 4 year olds, and I have to disagree. We actually have the Busy Gears you mentioned and they are excellent for the 1 year old. But the 3 year old can handle complex tasks if they are interested (that's a huge "if") and can really understand and talk about things. The 4 year old can follow picture-based directions, etc.

Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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We got this one for our son when he was 3: https://www.robotshop.com/en/code--go-robot-mouse-activity-s... It's a great introduction to programming. You have to put in all instructions on the mouse to solve the maze. There's also cards with instructions that you can place on the board to make it even easier. We also bought an IoT kit from from https://littlebits.com/ when he got older that we started to work on toget…

I think "following the instructions" is a worthwhile skill in itself, and our 4 year old really picked it up.

But you're right, once she learned to follow the instructions exactly, she is having a tough time being creative. At the moment she's kind of obsessed with instruction-following. So there are definitely two sides to it.

Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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Taking care of plants. The first thing my niece (3) and nephew (5) do when they get in the house is check what plants need to be watered by sticking their hands in the potting soil. The plants and taking care of them has achieved peak interest for a few months. Two caveats, 1) they do not live with the plants 2) It is a ploy to get the water spraying can out. They also equate it with working somewhat as a few rules h…

Taking care of plants sounds good, if only I had that skill myself...

Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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I have an 18 month old. The delta that's occurred over the last year is immeasurable. I can't imagine how much more is going to happen between now and 4 years old. I optimize my day to ensure that I spend as much time as possible with him. It's definitely paying off for him, but selfishly, it's the most fun I've had in a long time.

> I can't imagine how much more is going to happen between now and 4 years old. Just wait until they're school age and can make the conscious decision to learn what they're interested in at a much deeper level. You're just helping them lay the physical and mental groundwork for a love of learning when they're toddlers and pre-schoolers. It really is amazing when all that work pays off (as long as you can deal with th…

I’m actually seeing it now. He’s teaching himself the alphabet. Of course, we kickstarted it by singing the ABC song, and counting objects/food with him. But he loves it so much, he’ll cry for the song and/or Sesame Street videos of Elmo singing it.

But he taught himself using a talking book. It’s an ABC book that has buttons on the side for each letter and a voice says the letter and some associated word. He loves one button the most, the one that sings the whole alphabet. He presses it over and over again. Sometimes, he misses and hits X, Y, or Z. One day we were playing and he started pointing at X, Y, and Z and yelling it out to me. I was floored because I never taught it to him.

Now he manages to recognize letters and numbers in the real world. Signage on end caps in grocery stores, license plates, etc.

Also, I have video proof so I’m not making this up.

It’s totally crazy. He’s 18 months, been doing this since roughly 15 months.

I can’t wait to see how far he runs with this.

Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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Taking care of plants. The first thing my niece (3) and nephew (5) do when they get in the house is check what plants need to be watered by sticking their hands in the potting soil. The plants and taking care of them has achieved peak interest for a few months. Two caveats, 1) they do not live with the plants 2) It is a ploy to get the water spraying can out. They also equate it with working somewhat as a few rules h…

Taking care of plants sounds good, if only I had that skill myself...

Get US grown citrus trees (foreign food is irradiated and seeds become non-viable)... eat them... save the seeds... germinate ... you will have more than enough plants to get it wrong and right with! All you need is some potting mix and solo cups with a hole or two for drainage to start.

Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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What about just a wooden horse or a ball? I understand every parent wants the best for their children and every family is different, but I thank my stars my parents did not push to me any "educational" stuff.

same here man. now a days it's a disaster. We watch a little bit of disney junior cartoons for 30 minutes before my daughter goes to bed (1.5 years old). Disney has all these 'sponsors' that are just shit websites claiming to be educational. Sure lets get the 2 and 3 year olds hooked even more on the fucking ipads haha.

I love the outdoors and cant wait to get my little one out there. On the flip side, i fucking love computers and video games too so it's definitely a balance! When i was a kid i didnt want to program or anything. I wanted to run around, skateboard, play with kids in the hood.

Re: Ask HN: STEM toy for a 3 years old?

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Everyone else is suggesting things to purchase, so I'll suggest things you can find or do outside. The last few are from [1], which I came across a while ago. - Play "identify the waterfowl in the park" followed by "chase!" and (for larger geese and swans) "run away!". [This should satisfy the other comment "play sports instead".] - Then, collect sticks in the woods and build a shelter. Extra points for using differe…

Don't chase birds for fun

I recall being chased by birds when i was a kid, i didn’t like it.
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