Swiss government files criminal complaint over Crypto AG scandal involving CIA
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Re: Swiss government files criminal complaint over Crypto AG scandal involving CIA
#2After WW2 we (brits) sold enigma machines to the countries gaining independence from the empire and never mentioned we could read everything they were used to communicate. This is why no one should outsource vital functions to competitors...
This should be embarrassing for the Swiss intelligence services whose job it was to detect and prevent these sorts of shenanigans...
Also, have I misunderstood? The criminal case should be against the company executives surely, not "persons unknown". Or is that just to include whoever bribed them?
Re: Swiss government files criminal complaint over Crypto AG scandal involving CIA
#3After WW2 we (brits) sold enigma machines to the countries gaining independence from the empire and never mentioned we could read everything they were used to communicate. This is why no one should outsource vital functions to competitors... This should be embarrassing for the Swiss intelligence services whose job it was to detect and prevent these sorts of shenanigans... Also, have I misunderstood? The criminal case…
> This should be embarrassing for the Swiss intelligence services whose job it was to detect and prevent these sorts of shenanigans...
Some alledge that the NDB/FIS (Federal Intelligence Service) knew about the operation. [1]
> The criminal case should be against the company executives surely, not "persons unknown".
At this point, it is not known who was involved in what way exactly. Some executives? Definitely. All executives? Maybe not.
A former employee believes that only 2-3 executives knew about the whole scheme and maybe 10-15 technicians put two and two together or suspected something. [2]
[1] https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/geheimdienstaffaere-cryptole... (german)
[2] https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/17-jahre-bei-der-crypto-ag-e... (german)
Re: Swiss government files criminal complaint over Crypto AG scandal involving CIA
#4This case should be quoted in every discussion about 5G mobile equipment here in Europe.
Re: Swiss government files criminal complaint over Crypto AG scandal involving CIA
#5Protip: Nobody knows who owns any business entity, if they dont want you to know.
Here German intelligence and US intelligence owned a Swedish entity. Thats how free trade works.
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Re: Swiss government files criminal complaint over Crypto AG scandal involving CIA
#7In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter that you can read everyone's messages when your economy is growing at 1%, the economy of your supposed "friend" that you're selling the messages to is growing at 2%, and the economy of the people whose messages you're reading is growing at 6-7%.
Maybe they should have used the money to develop 5G instead, lol.
> Switzerland’s Prime Minister, Simonetta Sommaruga
For a supposed website about intelligence, strange of them to use the phrase "Prime Minister" to describe the President of Switzerland (who actually is just a figurehead with the same power as the other members of the 7-member Federal Council).
Re: Swiss government files criminal complaint over Crypto AG scandal involving CIA
#8This case should be quoted in every discussion about 5G mobile equipment here in Europe.
It will only be used in anti-US sentiments and never anti-SINO
Re: Swiss government files criminal complaint over Crypto AG scandal involving CIA
#9In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter that you can read everyone's messages when your economy is growing at 1%, the economy of your supposed "friend" that you're selling the messages to is growing at 2%, and the economy of the people whose messages you're reading is growing at 6-7%. Maybe they should have used the money to develop 5G instead, lol. > Switzerland’s Prime Minister, Simonetta Sommaruga For a su…
I'm not sure how GDP growth is relevant here, especially when those higher growth rates are in countries with much lower base GDPs. GDP growth is not an eternal structural characteristic of an economy and there is no reason to believe that it will not slow down as GDP/capita converges.
Re: Swiss government files criminal complaint over Crypto AG scandal involving CIA
#10In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter that you can read everyone's messages when your economy is growing at 1%, the economy of your supposed "friend" that you're selling the messages to is growing at 2%, and the economy of the people whose messages you're reading is growing at 6-7%. Maybe they should have used the money to develop 5G instead, lol. > Switzerland’s Prime Minister, Simonetta Sommaruga For a su…
I'm not sure how GDP growth is relevant here, especially when those higher growth rates are in countries with much lower base GDPs. GDP growth is not an eternal structural characteristic of an economy and there is no reason to believe that it will not slow down as GDP/capita converges.
"We're already ahead, we don't need to run any faster, we'll use our energy to do pointless things like spy on everyone instead".
Don't let me stop you thinking that but I'll keep running faster, thanks.