For those who want constant updates about the international situation, this is the best source I found so far: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ By the way , I'm wondering how much the high cost of the test in the US is responsible for a number which looks (to me at least) suspiciously low.
I’m a big fan of the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 map, with the ability to click on individual states: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h...
Coronavirus Disease 2019 Situation Summary
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, this is more serious than the flu, but not as serious as MERS or SARS. Like the seasonal flu, the main worry is older people and/or people who are already respiratory compromised. I don't want to catch this much like I don't want to catch the flu, but my main worry is for my parents and grandparents.
This is way more serious than the flu in multiple ways. First of all, estimates show that the case fatality ratio (CFR) is around 2%, which is 20x higher than the flu. This number is likely to rise when ICUs are becoming over-constrained and cannot take new patients. This is already happening in the north of Italy as we speak. Second, the transmissibility of the SARS-nCov-2019 (the virus causing COVID-19) is much hig…
These estimates are mostly from China. Obviously likely to be higher for a respiratory condition in a place with some of the worst air quality in the world. There is also some question about whether the less serious cases are even being identified -- if your sample is only of the people with severe symptoms, you get the wrong number for the percentage of people with severe symptoms.
> Second, the transmissibility of the SARS-nCov-2019 (the virus causing COVID-19) is much higher than the seasonal flu. This means the period within which a demand will be made on healthcare services will be much shorter and much more intense.
Fortunately flu season is coming to an end, so there will be less contention for resources there and the same reasons people get the flu less often in April than January will help to mitigate this.
> Third, there are reports showing lasting damage to kidney and lung tissue (sponge-like structures). Even when surviving COVID-19, previously healthy people might become chronically ill.
That can also be true of the flu, isn't it?
> Fourth, in order to prevent at least part of what I am describing, very stringent measures are required. These already have a historic impact on our worldwide economy and will hit developed countries the most (since they require a worldwide infrastructure).
This is probably just not going to happen. They'll try to contain it using strong measures when the number of cases is small enough that there is some hope of that actually happening, but strong measures aren't that problematic when they're only applied to a small number of people.
If they fail in the early stages and millions of people become infected, the strong measures can't be justified at a large scale because once it's that widespread they won't be effective anyway. The point of the strong measures is to prevent that from happening. They aren't worth continuing after you've already lost.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Go for testing. The virus is still present (but not contagious anymore) some time after you recover.
why would s/he pay $3000 to get tested for something s/he already recovered from? https://twitter.com/NickKristof/status/1234140218023989253
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fc265u/covid19_t...
The $3000 figure seems only sourced from Business Insider, not exactly the paragon of ethical journalism.
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why would s/he pay $3000 to get tested for something s/he already recovered from? https://twitter.com/NickKristof/status/1234140218023989253
Online people report the CDC test is free. https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fc265u/covid19_t... The $3000 figure seems only sourced from Business Insider, not exactly the paragon of ethical journalism.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article24047680...
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#85>This virus is NOT currently spreading widely in the United States. Curious how this is known given practically zero tests have been done and numerous cases with no contact external to the US have been discovered.
The CDC reports that over 470 tests have been done to date. Is that practically zero?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
"numerous cases" You'll have to back that up as well given the linked article clearly states the cryptic transmission in Washington is accounted for. They call it "Community Spread."
Re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 Situation Summary
#86>This virus is NOT currently spreading widely in the United States. Curious how this is known given practically zero tests have been done and numerous cases with no contact external to the US have been discovered.
You should back up your claims. The CDC reports that over 470 tests have been done to date. Is that practically zero? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html "numerous cases" You'll have to back that up as well given the linked article clearly states the cryptic transmission in Washington is accounted for. They call it "Community Spread."
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This will be based on models using what we currently know about the time it takes patients to show symptoms, the number of people currently detected showing symptoms, and the expected rate of detection of symptomatic patients. 'Numerous' is a bit of a loaded term, there have been cases of community spread in three areas so far, as described in the CDC summary.
There's a model floating around out there now [0]. I think the main point of it is the transmission efficacy. The Gates article recently published in the New England Journal of Medicine states the average person infected will go on to infect two to three additional [1]. I'm of the opinion that, while China appears to be the root cause, the advantage they have is a very authoritarian control on the response. People we…
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First tested and confirmed case in NYC. There have been numerous reports from NYC residents who returned from areas with community spread, got sick, tested negative for the flu, and the CDC wouldn’t test them. I think in a few weeks we’ll find out that Coronavirus has actually been spreading in NYC for 3+ weeks. The CDC is incompetent.
The CDC doesn't do much local testing. Mainly they provide test kits to local labs which do the tests. Please bear in mind that CDC funding for international coordination on pandemic control was cut by 80% a few years ago, and since 2018 they have not had a representative on the National Security Council, and had their senior Pandemic response positions eliminated. Reports that their overall funding was cut are not a…
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I’m a big fan of the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 map, with the ability to click on individual states: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h...
Using the JH dashboard numbers, is the death rate calculated by 3000/(3000+45000) or 3000/89000?
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.. Trump didn’t succeed in slashing the budget, however. > Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased. https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
thanks for clarifying that
From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22446649 :
> However he did indeed cut the people tasked to deal with pandemics. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-trump....
>> But other White House efforts included reducing $15 billion in national health spending and cutting the global disease-fighting operational budgets of the CDC, NSC, DHS, and HHS. And the government’s $30 million Complex Crises Fund was eliminated.
>> In May 2018, Trump ordered the NSC’s entire global health security unit shut down, calling for reassignment of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer and dissolution of his team inside the agency. The month before, then-White House National Security Advisor John Bolton pressured Ziemer’s DHS counterpart, Tom Bossert, to resign along with his team. Neither the NSC nor DHS epidemic teams have been replaced. The global health section of the CDC was so drastically cut in 2018 that much of its staff was laid off and the number of countries it was working in was reduced from 49 to merely 1