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How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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Does this take into account bots and other non-human stuff GA might block? Server logs and GA are measuring different things.

This. Does it take into account scraping bots? I remember looking at my server logs many years ago, finding a surprising amount of Chinese and Russian visits for my personal website. Eventually I realized it was Baidu Yandex type stuff

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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Note that the 0% for Android is because Google banned ad blockers on the Play Store.

On the Samsung Galaxy you just install Samsung Internet and from within it you can add AdBlock Plus (and most of the other adblockers). They are delivered through Samsung's apk store.

It saved the mobile surfing experience for me (was using chrome on the mobile before)..

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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I haven't worked on a product that used analytics to drive feature development. What you wrote here sounds very naive to me. I might be completely wrong, but i assume if you have a large enough user base you would use telemetry only in an aggregated way, and then prioritize the majority of the user base. So I might totally be underrepresented but still have the same loss of privacy as everyone else. I also feel i alw…

What I have written here is based 100% on working with product teams who use analytics very competently to influence feature development (which is almost never driven by one single factor). > I might be completely wrong, but i assume if you have a large enough user base you would use telemetry only in an aggregated way, and then prioritize the majority of the user base. In some cases yes, but you need to get that agg…

It’s also naive (and probably a bit arrogant) to assume that your requirements aren’t in fact well aligned with the majority of the user base.

No. In any high-dimensional space (in this case the dimensions are features used by a given user), the vast majority of the elements will be outliers in at least one dimension. Everyone has idiosyncrasies. It is arrogant to assume that everyone is the same as oneself.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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ssshhhhh. Don't give people ideas

That's actually (as far as I understood) something ublock origin seems to address in one of their most recent updates. See 1.25.0 release description: > From now on uBO will CNAME-uncloak network requests. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases

That only blocks CNAME-based domains, not proxying. proxying is pretty hard to block unless the request is using paths that obviously go to analytics/trackers.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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post #28

Note that the 0% for Android is because Google banned ad blockers on the Play Store.

I am certain many jailbroken androids are out there using adblockers. Firefox also has plugins internally blocking ads. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/adblock-plus/

You are doing HN readers a disservice by recommending ABP! It is mafia software.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17639624

https://medium.com/@trybravery/please-stop-using-adblock-but...

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...

Recommend uBlock Origin instead. "Free. Open source. For users by users. No donations sought." https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock#installation

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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Everyone I know who works in digital marketing (a lot of people) use ad block on their personal devices.

I often wonder whether Page and Brin install an ad blocker.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was mandated by company policy at google and Facebook.

Any company that does machine images for employees should ship them with adblockers preinstalled. There are zero downsides.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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When I turned off my Windows 10 Telemetry, I expressed a clear choice that I'd rather not give my data, and it's fine for my voice to not be heard. I just really don't care about Windows 10 that much. On the other hand, I turned on all the telemetry for OctoPi, Steam, and a bunch of other softwares I care about. I want my voice to be heard for those cases. Just curious, what's so inexcusable about that?

Yeah, exactly. "Inexcusable" seems a bit extreme. Are you suggesting companies spend 10x on manual user research? Are you willing to pay more for a product because of increased costs to understand what users actually want?

>Are you suggesting companies spend 10x on manual user research? Are you willing to pay more for a product because of increased costs to understand what users actually want?

Move your analytics to the server and stop tracking my every mouse move and page scroll. Needing to know that stuff suggests you're either creepy or that your organisation is saturated with marketing and SEO wonks.

User research and analytics are two entirely different things. Your product will suffer if you neglect the first.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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You are changing directions with your comment. "his or her personal data" Analytics is not personal. No one shares their names or social security number. And I strongly agree with people above mentioning The Visitor is the requester. We provide services, they use it, we want to understand what we are doing by checking analytics. Nothing immoral about this.

You don’t get to redefine ‘personal data’ ;). The GDPR is clear about that: * ‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more fact…

IP addresses might not even get associated with analytics events - just used for basic counting of different users before aggregation? At that point you have no right to it.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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> Instead of perpetually trying to identify bots, Pick the 20% of your users who you are pretty sure are actually humans. Note that reCAPTCHA thinks you’re a bot if you block analytics…

Not that that matters to me since I have (re)captcha blocked, too...

Blocking reCAPTCHA has lost me hours of work, repeatedly. And I still do it.

The Textarea Cache Firefox extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/textarea-cach... is incredibly useful, but I keep forgetting to install it when I get to a new machine. I forget only once.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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One of the corollaries to this is that if you are basing your decisions on analytics, you are probably under-representing people who block them, who often tend to be a non-representative subset of your users. I have seen multiple projects do things like stop supporting features that their analytics “showed nobody was using” but failed to realize that a significant portion of their (often technical and very vocal) use…

> Oh, and by the way, responding to these kinds of issues with “if you wanted your voice to be heard, you should have turned on analytics” is inexcusable.

Some folks seem to think analytics is the only way to get feedback from users.

Just ask me. Survey, email me directly, anything but siphoning all my data off to Google in the process.

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