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How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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I have started some weeks ago this project: https://github.com/iris-analytics It's a small JS that gathers data and sends it to a Go backend to then be stored in ClickHouse. Although there's lots to do, we use it in production successfully. Remember ClickHouse was born precisely for web analytics where a single instance can handle hundreds of millions of inserts per day with no effort. I did this because stats say ad…

Perhaps you should post it on "Show HN".

Thanks for the suggestion. As soon as I document it better I certainly will. This was more of a call for help :)

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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Then you would expect for Chrome to show a higher number of GA blocking "users". But that's not the case: the article mentions that the percentage of users blocking GA on Chrome is on par with Safari. And I don't know what you mean by "serious". The most common crawlers (Google, Baidu, Yandex, etc) identify themselves as bots on the User-Agent very clearly. Personally, those are the ones that I'd call the most "serio…

The net is full of unidentified bots scraping content or looking for vulnerabilities (contact forms , wordpress logins, etc). On many occasions I had traffic issues and had to check logs and these were very hard to block, because they ignore the robots file, don’t advertise themselves in the User Agent and use a large pool of IPs.

I don't know why this comment is downvoted, it mirrors my experience. I'm responsible for a few domestic high traffic websites and have done some analysis from log files to find suspicious traffic, i.e. user agents saying they are chrome but not loading images or css files, having many page views (i.e. 50 where our average user has 2) etc. It wasn't foolproof but the false-positives where < 10% in my random checks. These bots made up ~10-15% of page views.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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> I was expecting Firefox to be the largest, but it was a bit surprising to me that Safari and Chrome were approximately equal

Don't forget about all those smartasses spoofing their user agent just to make your life even harder.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/random_user_a...

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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It’s you who requests those resources, That does not matter, at least in the EU where citizens are protected by the GDPR. Article 6 of the GDPR: Processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that at least one of the following applies: (a) the data subject has given consent to the processing of his or her personal data for one or more specific purposes;

Item (f) in that same Article 6 can be applied to collect data without explicit consent: (f) processing is necessary for the purposes of the legitimate interests pursued by the controller or by a third party, except where such interests are overridden by the interests or fundamental rights and freedoms of the data subject which require protection of personal data, in particular where the data subject is a child.

IANAL, but privacy regulators in various countries (but also the GDPR) have been fairly explicit that this cannot be used for blanket collection of data. E.g. GDPR recital 47 states that there must be a reasonable expectation of the data subject that such data is collected, e.g. because they data subject is a client (in the non-technical sense) of the controller. The purpose for the collection should be specified and properly communicated. Also AFAIK all the rights of the data subject are retained. E.g. they can request the data and ask that the data is removed.

General analytics on a website are probably not covered under f, since it is not necessary and not what you’d expect when you visit a website to which you have no customer relation.

There are clear cases where one has to collect data, even without consent, such as fraud prevention.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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I don't understand why first-party analytics and JavaScript aren't more popular, but I suppose it's a matter of cost in the serverless and freemium world. But for VC stuff... There are plenty of pre-built analytics kits out there that can run from your site and you would have none of these problems.

Is there something that will integrate with nginx or rails ? I am having hard time finding these.

https://matomo.org/faq/how-to-install/faq_116/

Just searched "nginx 1st party analytics"

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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What's interesting to me about the number of people who block Google analytics, is the number of people working with those analytics in product management, marketing or SEO, that are apparently unaware of anyone being able to block Google Analytics.

The Timberland website used to block people from adding any items to the shopping basket if they had Google Analytics blocked... and thats when I switched brands.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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Not only advanced users. At least as of 2019 we for example have pihole installed LAN wide at home and Lockdown on all portable devices. Also recommend or installed on devices of anyone I know, technical or not and of course my number one recommendation to anyone is to install Firefox and avoid chrome.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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Google Analytics spies you? Lol. Those tools that you use daily on the browser that saves you time and makes your life easier got to that point because they had a way to learn how they were used. Seems that you don't make a difference between ad related tracking and product based tracking.

> Those tools that you use daily on the browser that saves you time and makes your life easier got to that point because they had a way to learn how they were used. As far as I am aware, Hacker News has never used Google Analytics.

Hackers News doesn't need GA. A product that relies on data to make decisions does. People here are delusional, sorry. I don't care I get downvoted, but that's the reality.

I'm totally against ad tracking where a company can identify what I do on multiple websites and link my browsing behavior. But I have no problem to let a company track my clicks and what I do on their website if it's used to improve their product and ultimately to benefit from it.

Re: How many users block Google analytics? (2017)

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I recently got tired of Google Analytics (for a number of reasons) and switched to Fathom Analytics. Now, Ghostery says I have "zero trackers" on my personal site. Fathom doesn't collect personal info about my visitors. They just show me my aggregate metrics (popular pages, top referrers) which is all I need anyway.

Unfortunately it's just a matter of time. I have no doubt they will get added to uBlock pretty soon. Most people don't make a difference between tracking anonymously for data aggregation and tracking individual users. Many are paranoid and think that any type of tracking is bad.
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