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Officials: Dozens at WA nursing facility show possible coronavirus symptoms

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Re: Officials: Dozens at WA nursing facility show possible coronavirus symptoms

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Post by belltaco »

aazaa wrote: post #27

From another story on the nursing home outbreak: > "If we had the ability to test earlier, I'm sure we would have identified patients earlier," he [a Washington State health official] said. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/485302-officials-annou... This is a pattern playing out with striking regularity: 1. Local authorities can't test for themselves. 2. CDC adjudicates testing requests, rejects many (most) of th…

We had so long to mobilize a lot of resources for this, and test every person with flu-like illnesses, and isolate them. CDC releasing broken testing kits and limiting use of testing. And then the President calling it a hoax made up to make him look bad, and forcing all statements from federal health authorities to go through the VP.

Isn't this exactly how the situation got so bad in Wuhan in the first place? Authorities not releasing information and preparing fast enough because it can make them look bad. China was able to limit the spread somewhat because they took the drastic step of cordoning off Hubei, shutting down all travel. If there was a big outbreak in WA, do you think the US, as a democracy, could shutdown all airports, roads and rail at the state border?

Re: Officials: Dozens at WA nursing facility show possible coronavirus symptoms

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Post by trylfthsk »

baq wrote: post #39
wolco wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure this is the reason. Not being honest about it is a problem.

Why didn’t they buy working kits from other countries though? They had weeks to do that.

My guess is that lead time for the volumes they'd need is about a month if buying from overseas - and that's assuming a foreign supplier could absorb the extra kit volume.

Re: Officials: Dozens at WA nursing facility show possible coronavirus symptoms

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

louwrentius wrote: post #42

I'm starting to get the impression that most countries are dealing with this outbreak professionally. Except for Iran and the US. Ironic.

Doesn't seem that way looking at the numbers regarding the US.

The US has and is handling it the best.

The administration shut down travel earlier than any other country.

There are much fewer cases than other countries even though we have a larger population, economic trade, and travel.

There was already a travel ban from Iran to the US. This morning they just banned travel if you've ever been in Iran, so they don't come through Canada.

Maybe Canada should shut down flights from Iran.

Re: Officials: Dozens at WA nursing facility show possible coronavirus symptoms

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Post by bsaul »

mcntsh wrote: post #20

HN is really buying into the media hysteria on this one. I would have expected more.

don't know why you got downvoted. I have yet to see the opinion of a doctor explaining why this virus requires specific measures compared to other types of flu-like viruses ( hint: friend working in a hospital recently told me doctors there are amazed by the frenzy on this topic, that looks to them exactly the same as other kinds of flu).

It seems politics are forced to take the same kind of exceptional measures as in other countries for fear of being accused of not being responsible.

I won't mention the other topic, but it's the second time i've found HN lacking scientific rigor the same way the general public does. I guess it's the downside of being more popular..

Re: Officials: Dozens at WA nursing facility show possible coronavirus symptoms

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Post by tannerbrockwell »

Based on the limited supply of test kits, and ability to use them in an rapid manner, I believe we are entering a phase where symptoms should warrant an immediate self-quarantine.

Waiting for a negative, or declaring that only those that may have traveled or contacted someone who was in china is test worthy is foolhardy. This thing dies after 9+ days in the environment, if we reduce exposure of those who may be infected; It is possible we can wait this out.

Companies without work from home policies should revisit them immediately. Forcing someone who is under the weather or feeling off to come into your office is risking your whole company site.

Also tell your co-workers to go home when they are sick! An office is not an ambulatory pneumonia wing of the local hospital. Sick people should be home!

Re: Officials: Dozens at WA nursing facility show possible coronavirus symptoms

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Post by DebtDeflation »

Look at the timeline of the outbreak in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%932...

- Patient 0 falls ill on December 1, 2019.

- Patient 1 falls ill on December 8.

- 8 total cases by December 18.

- 45 cases by January 16, 2020.

- 121 cases by January 18.

- 1,287 cases by January 24.

- 11,791 cases by January 31.

- 24,324 cases by February 4.

- 44,653 cases by February 11.

- 70,548 cases by February 16.

- 79,251 cases by today.

Right now, South Korea and Italy are basically where China was in late January and the US and most of the rest of the world reporting their first infections are where China was in mid January. The next few weeks are not going to be pleasant.

It's important to note that the Hubei lockdown started on January 23, and China is only recently seeing new cases plateau as a result. It's hard to imagine what the stats would be had they not taken such aggressive action to contain the spread, but we may find out given that the US, Europe, and most of the rest of the world seems to be taking a wait and see approach as opposed to prompt action.

Re: Officials: Dozens at WA nursing facility show possible coronavirus symptoms

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Post by oceanghost »

kabdib wrote: post #19
waynecochran wrote: post #2

How do you differentiate influenza from covid-19? These folks probably just have the flu. I live in WA state and I had the worst case of the flu I can remember about 3 weeks ago. Did I have covid-19? No way to really know.

Bellevue, WA here; I had a very bad case of the flu in early Feb (worst I can remember) and it took 3+ weeks to fully recover. Many cow-orkers were also affected (some meetings with 30+ people were down to a handful of people . . . not a bad thing under the circumstances). Our "patient zero" was a dev who came into work for a day with a cough. If you're sick, please stay home.

My whole family had that same bug in Feb (in So Cal). It was nasty.

I have never worked at a company where one could call in sick without consequences. My last employer (which was evil) had a policy of five sick days per year, and more than two days consecutively needed a doctors note.

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