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Re: The file Clearview AI has been keeping on me

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Post by throwGuardian »

buckminster wrote: post #26

> "Clearview does not maintain any sort of information other than photos,” the company wrote. “To find your information, we cannot search by name or any method other than image." So a police force buys this product, searches for an image, and just gets more images. Really? What use would that be?

I think they also provide the origin of the images (example MySpace), and more often than not, the origin ends up with a definitive identity.

The response report on the author, for instance, clearly identifies her

Re: The file Clearview AI has been keeping on me

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Post by tobr »

_asrm wrote: post #16
spectramax wrote: post #15

How do we stop this? Can we sue Clearview through EFF with the grounds of violating copyright or some weird law? California/GDPR laws are great but they don't stop the data collection, merely allow the user to access it. We need to make companies like Clearview completely and unquestionably illegal. I am infuriated and don't know what we can do.

stop uploading your pics to internet then

And stop having friends who might decide to upload photos they take of you? It’s not a good solution to this problem.

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Post by mirimir »

spectramax wrote: post #15

How do we stop this? Can we sue Clearview through EFF with the grounds of violating copyright or some weird law? California/GDPR laws are great but they don't stop the data collection, merely allow the user to access it. We need to make companies like Clearview completely and unquestionably illegal. I am infuriated and don't know what we can do.

Maybe just add noise. For example, there are lots of apps that mix faces. So mix your face with a bunch of other faces, or even faces from https://thispersondoesnotexist.com and upload the results wherever.

Re: The file Clearview AI has been keeping on me

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Post by kurthr »

It's worth noting (as mentioned they are under security review) that apparently ClearviewAI lost their client database (hopefully that's all) to hackers last week. Along with being sued by the big boys, that's gotta hurt.

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/02/28/clearview-ai-los...

Re: The file Clearview AI has been keeping on me

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Post by [deleted] »

pstuart wrote: post #21
luckydata wrote: post #4

Until our way of governing ourselves doesn't change, everything scientists and engineers do can and will be converted into a weapon or tool of oppression. We should be more vigilant and we should demand better from our elected officials.

We should always demand this, yet not count on it happening. It would be nice to find ways to take these weapons and use them for self-defense as well. I wish I had a clue of what that would look like.

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Re: The file Clearview AI has been keeping on me

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Post by danso »

llarsson wrote: post #7

Google has all the data and algorithmic chops required for this, too. Just use their reverse image search feature, as helpfully explained here: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/1325808?co=GENIE... They have tons of images from social media sites, too.

But image similarity is not the same as face recognition. I just uploaded the photo the author gave to Clearview, and it returned none of the photos Clearview found – just other front-facing flatly-lit mugshots of other people.

Of course Google can do this internally (and FAcebook could do it even better) – but the public-facing image search does not do what Clearview purports to do.

Re: The file Clearview AI has been keeping on me

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Post by finnh »

Is it just me or are those results clearly based on using her name (from the ID she provided as part of her CCPA request)? To have zero false positives, and multiple different hair colors, etc ... strains credulity that is all based on face matching only.

Re: The file Clearview AI has been keeping on me

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Post by ThePhysicist »

Supposedly any company in the EU that has data on you needs to proactively make you aware of this and allow you to have this data erased or rectified.

I don’t think all or even most companies respect this rule yet (I haven’t heard of a single company about my data so far) but I think it’s a powerful idea that would keep companies like Clearview from being able to build up such large databases without people knowing about it.

I really hope the EU will keep strengthening subject rights as I think it’s a very good solution to most problems involving the use of personal data.

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