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Re: Seattle-Area Patient With Coronavirus Dies

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One person has died in the US. It's not time to panic. I expected more logical comments here.

In developed countries that have done lots of testing the ratio of infections to deaths is about 50 or 100 to 1. This death implies that there are a lot of undetected infections.

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Correct, I've been told by medical professionals that there are hundred(s) of strains but the flu shot only covers the handful of strains they expect to be prevalent for that flu season. I have been wondering how they come up with that prediction though...

The morbidity and mortality weekly report from a month or so back said that in intentional lab infections the influenza vaccine was only 45% effective in preventing infection this year.

One wonders if the flu metagenome is evolving to evade our primitive strain selection 'algorithm'

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When is it time to start freaking out? I have a friend who may be starting to unhinge a little bit. Whereas I have some sort of stoic “this is completely out of my control and will happen or it won’t” response that is probably not that much more rational.

No one should be freaking out but we should all be preparing by stocking up on essentials to stay home as much as possible for a month or two.

Re: Seattle-Area Patient With Coronavirus Dies

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> This looks very dangerous, fatality ratio is between 5-8%. We're better than this at HN. There are stats on the mortality rates, and given you are younger than 50 there is a less than 0.4% mortality rate. Furthermore, recent autopsies have shown this is a virus that hits the lungs more than anything else. China with it's incredible pollution, might have skewed mortality rates that are higher than we may expect in E…

0.4% is number of deaths / number of cases. Problem is that not all cases have recovered and there will be more deaths among them. But yes, main takeaways, don't panic, slow down spread as much as possible (aka wash your hands)

Presumably there are also many cases that are mild and will never be tested or reported.

Re: Seattle-Area Patient With Coronavirus Dies

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When is it time to start freaking out? I have a friend who may be starting to unhinge a little bit. Whereas I have some sort of stoic “this is completely out of my control and will happen or it won’t” response that is probably not that much more rational.

I think the “truth” is likely somewhere in the middle: Be cautious and take precautions like washing your hands, avoiding huge crowds, and having some extra supplies on hand, but don’t panic. It’s not completely out of our control but completely freaking out and melting down won’t help anything.

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There has been speculation I've overheard that the virus is particularly deadly to Asian people. Seems like a bogus theory to me, but I suspect that was the reason for the question. Largely plays into the "escaped bioweapon" theory.

This is a great example of how misinformation spreads. All of the speculation comes from a single non peer reviewed paper, which had literally one data point. That paper was posted to a preprint server where scientists could comment on it. And the first comment was somebody doing a quick followup study with 100x more data, which found no significant difference. Source: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.…

What you're saying isn't entirely untrue, but there has also been at least one other paper from about 10 years ago floating around which, following SARS, looked at genetic markers for ACE2 receptors and found that they are significantly overrepresented in Han Chinese and Japanese genes. So there is still some credibility to the speculation.

Re: Seattle-Area Patient With Coronavirus Dies

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I wonder if this “temporary alteration” will impact the way business is conducted long-term. Instead of choosing between conference calls or flights, choose VC.

Having ubiquitous, reliable access to good VC doesn't eliminate the need to travel. Humans communicate so much better face to face. Source: I work in Google, spending up to half of my working time in VC. Still need to hop in a plane when something is important enough.

> Humans communicate so much better face to face.

No, they don't. They communicate more, but not better.

Re: Seattle-Area Patient With Coronavirus Dies

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Is it possible that the virus has been circulating in the states since Christmas or earlier? I live in the states, though not in Seattle. My wife's best friend teaches ESL at a major university. She has several Chinese students in her class who went home over the semester break in December and January. In mid-to-late January, the teacher, her husband, my wife, and I all came down with the "flu" in swift succession, w…

Interesting thought, there was something that was going around, very contagious that everyone got

Re: Seattle-Area Patient With Coronavirus Dies

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I wonder if this “temporary alteration” will impact the way business is conducted long-term. Instead of choosing between conference calls or flights, choose VC.

Having ubiquitous, reliable access to good VC doesn't eliminate the need to travel. Humans communicate so much better face to face. Source: I work in Google, spending up to half of my working time in VC. Still need to hop in a plane when something is important enough.

how many GVCs do you have where people are connecting from their desk or rooms on different floors of the same building? It happens a lot. Can’t be that bad.

Re: Seattle-Area Patient With Coronavirus Dies

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Is it possible that the virus has been circulating in the states since Christmas or earlier? I live in the states, though not in Seattle. My wife's best friend teaches ESL at a major university. She has several Chinese students in her class who went home over the semester break in December and January. In mid-to-late January, the teacher, her husband, my wife, and I all came down with the "flu" in swift succession, w…

Considering how contagious it seems to be, I think if it had been circulating in the U.S. for months under the guise of flu, there would have been a mysterious number of deaths of young, healthy people from flu that would have been recognized in hindsight as Covid-19.

It's not clear that we would recognize it in hindsight. Flu seasons vary heavily in magnitude, and a large majority of flu tests come back negative in any season.
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