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A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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I am the CIO of a mostly remote, cybersecurity startup (50 FTEs). I balance between not single-threading all choices through me and not letting things get too out of hand. That means no one is every really happy. E.g., we use Uberconference for videoconferencing. We thoroughly looked at a bunch of others and chose UC for its functionality, price, and simplicity (every conference gets a simple phone number, no stupid…

I hear you, but the only times I have seen the balance work is via a "committee" of DevLeads. Senior devs work with the trees everyday but are also able to see the woods. They are at the perfect position to make intelligent future proof decisions, and the second job of senior management is to ensure the DevLeads (or non tech equivalents) across the company are meeting talking discussing and deciding regularly and fre…

Where this totally falls down is where that committee becomes a full-time position, and the members stop doing actual dev work, becoming more and more out of touch with reality as time passes.

This was the case at an engineering company I worked with for several years.

The committee, or "enterprise architects" as they called themselves, became too far removed from the trenches, and the devs viewed them as sitting in an ivory tower and passing down ridiculous decrees.

They brought this view upon themselves, as they made it more or less impossible to even speak to them - almost all communication was through requests and forms uploaded to a sharepoint site!

They kept taking it further and further, until you even needed their permission to take a dependency on a 3rd party library for a LoB app. Such requests would sometimes take weeks to get a response.

We could never hold on to devs for long, in large part because they hated working under this bureaucratic nightmare.

The committee made all sorts of terrible decisions, always without consulting the devs and always with little justification, and these had a lasting impact for years to come.

Gods, it was horrible!

Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

True but you don’t pay subscription for your chairs. You do pay rent, but in many case the sum of SaaS subscription is in the same order of magnitude as the rent.

Is this only true for US-based companies? Where I'm from, I rarely see use of subscription services (especially ones that incur per-seat costs). Developers here tend to earn roughly the same number , but in a different currency , which makes all software and services several times more expensive. This results in preference of OSS alternatives and free tiers whenever possible. We use Discord for communication, Gitlab…

Is that a country with good internet connections for consumers and small companies? Here in Germany I wouldn't dare to run a lackrack server in the office, because the internet connection is crap almost everywhere.

Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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SoftBank invested something like $24bn in WeWork, which went to the real estate bubble plus free beer for techies. There is an astonishing amount of money out there. In the case of the Saudi investment through SoftBank, it's practically a moral imperative to relieve them of it. Enjoy it while it lasts. Voluntary redistribution through loss making startups is the comfortable alternative to wealth taxes.

> Voluntary redistribution through loss making startups is the comfortable alternative to wealth taxes.

That's just a little bit of redistribution from the top 1% to the top 10%, at best. Tech startups and their new fancy apps aren't putting food on the table or paying the health care bill for the bottom 90%.

Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why this personal abuse?

Was making a pun on the title’s grammar, not on the people working there. I don’t know the people working there, and have nothing against them personally.

Made me laugh ...

Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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That's a bit scary on one hand, it's pretty amazing though how much free value you can get from OS or Freemium tools. We use e.g. the free versions of RocketChat and Gitlab, they work great and we didn't have many problems administrating them (once a short outage due to a full disk, but gitlab.com had multiple outages in the same time frame). So I think if you are willing to put a little effort into self hosting you have a lot of choices available. Deployment and maintenance has become easier as well with tools like Ansible and Docker.

Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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I am the CIO of a mostly remote, cybersecurity startup (50 FTEs). I balance between not single-threading all choices through me and not letting things get too out of hand. That means no one is every really happy. E.g., we use Uberconference for videoconferencing. We thoroughly looked at a bunch of others and chose UC for its functionality, price, and simplicity (every conference gets a simple phone number, no stupid…

The individuals in aggregate may be toddlers, but unfortunately the C-suite as individuals are often also toddlers, at least vis a vis their responsibilities. Tasked with providing IT infrastructure that works for the company, they seem to largely shirk their responsibility and choose IT infrastructure that best serves them, the needs of others be damned. CIOs will seemingly gladly choose something that provides a go…

Please recognize the fact that the argument you are making here is based on whataboutism and is dishonest trying to setup a us-versus-them situation and confuse the actual issue. Then you proceed to follow up with illlogical conclusions with absurdist claims ... pistol dueling has nothing to do with the ROI/TCO of an adopted SaaS.

The actual issue the parent argument is about managing diversity - and that you can never please everyone - and that isn't a pistols at dawn kind of situation.

Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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I am the CIO of a mostly remote, cybersecurity startup (50 FTEs). I balance between not single-threading all choices through me and not letting things get too out of hand. That means no one is every really happy. E.g., we use Uberconference for videoconferencing. We thoroughly looked at a bunch of others and chose UC for its functionality, price, and simplicity (every conference gets a simple phone number, no stupid…

Seems like there should be some basic review processes in place. Any external dependency/purchase should require sign-off of at least one of only a few decision makers. This should be very similar to a code review, but seen by CTO, CIO, and CEO (whichever combination is most relevant) so that big unexpected, costly structural changes don't cost long term disfunction and pain.

Wonder if there's software for organisational management? Any ticket tracker could probably do.

Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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I have concluded that existing businesses and other certain factors limit the application of what I am about to say to a subset, but there is great room for a holistic "here is your IT stack" company that focuses on open source tooling, reduction of stack complexity, and working out many of the oft-repeated learning curves.

It's a huge market opportunity waiting to happen, because death or at least injury by a thousand licensing fee cuts is real. Small startups, small businesses looking to modernize, non-profits, etc would all be potential customers, and unlike the coast-centric viewpoint of HN, those tend to actually be the vast majority of companies in middle America.

Many MSP's and various resellers and salesmen make a living off trapping these in lock-in also. I have seen all of this over many years first hand. There is a reason Spiceworks took off so fast. There is also a reason they are hemorrhaging customers... because Spiceworks entire model was built around advertising lock-in type products to customers. (also their tooling sorta sucks, despite being easy and having a decent web front-end)

Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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Some of the listed paid services either has free alternatives or can be easily DIY or self hosted on light vm or raspberry PI with fair enough functionality if you do not want to pay for them. Including error monitoring, topic/channel chatroom, git server.

Re: A two-person startup already uses twenty-eight other tools

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There are certain dev tools like Gitlab/Github or AWS/GCP for your product. Besides can't things be simplified to just a couple of tools

Like just 1. Gsuite/Office 365 2. Asana/Notion

I am building a startup (Early stages) & think about this. I want to create one or two tools & use it.

Why need airtable, notion & trello at the same time?

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