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How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017)

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Signaling that it's being taken seriously at the "highest levels" to support confidence?

I wonder if it could also be an insurance strategy: if things go south, Pence takes all the blame and is booted from the 2020 ticket?

Pence exists to lock down the evangelical vote, there's no way he'll become a fall man.

Although, that's traditional thinking, and this president is anything but traditional. So maybe you're right.

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A BBC documentary called "The Flu That Killed 50 Million" is informative. As of time 130 million were infected and 200 thousand dead, Sir Arthur Newsholme, senior medical officer at Whitehall, sent a message to his European counterparts proposing a cease fire because an existential threat to humanity transcends national rivalries. (Just kidding!) He actually decided against even warning the public to take any precautions because it would not be "expedient" for the munitions factories to slow down. My takeaway is never to put it past those in power to decimate of the population if it suits their ends.

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HIMSS (Health Information and Management Systems Society), the irony is just...

I suggest dropping some of your concerns around social media to see if it picks up steam. If it gets the attention of enough people, they'll have to take it more seriously. The way you've described it irks me a little bit.

being blocked by HIMSS on twitter for asking and having a conversation should really ring alarm bells. hope some high follower accounts pick this up and RT it for more visibility.

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While doing ancestry research years ago, I learned I had a 2nd great uncle who immigrated to America from Romania aboard the RMS Carpathia in 1904. (Eight years later in 1912, this would be the first ship to come to the Titanic’s rescue, and six years after that would itself be sunk by a U-Boat.) He had left Romania likely to escape anti-semitism. He’d eventually find his way out to Denver. Sadly, he’d die in 1918 (t…

It's worth noting that the 1918 flu was unique in that it killed many young, healthy people. Corona virus is more typical in that it's primarily killing the very old or otherwise ill. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se...

There were two waves to the Spanish Flu. Wave 1 started like the standard flu - it was mild, hitting mostly the old and ill, and not terribly deadly. Wave 2 is when it mutated, spread like wildfire, and killed 2% of the world population.

From what I can tell they aren't completely sure what happened here. One theory I read is that WW1 reversed the trend of what happens with flu: if you had mild symptoms, you stayed on the front line. If you had severe ones, you got shipped back home on crowded trains and ships. This is in contrast with regular life - if you get a mild flu you still go out, but with severe flu you tend to stay at home.

I don't think Corona virus will turn out this way. But it also doesn't seem exactly correct to say Corona virus isn't like the Spanish flu. There's lots of possible outcomes as it continues to go global. We just don't know.

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Panic is unwarranted. On the cruise ship, which is known for being full of old people, there were 3 deaths out of ~750 known cases. Almost everyone dying so far has had another medical issue or been very old. Reports now say that many people testing positive have no symptoms at all and aren't getting sick. There have been zero deaths of children so far, which is unlike the flu. The youngest death was in his mid 30s.…

This is dead wrong. Please check your facts. 6 deaths. Many in bad shape. Most still sick. Honestly, people should be scared. Leadership is doing everything they can to prevent that.

I don’t think being scared should ever be a recommendation. Concerned, proactive, and calm are the way to go.

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Ouch. I have this opinion of my dog. An extra year or two... not a big deal. I do not have this opinion of my parents or any other immuno-compromised individual. Your worst-case-scenario is absolutely the worst-case scenario in many individual's minds. If the greater good is not the extension of the life of those around us what exactly are we trying to do here? There are many things worth crashing the world-economy o…

Please don’t put words in my mouth.

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While doing ancestry research years ago, I learned I had a 2nd great uncle who immigrated to America from Romania aboard the RMS Carpathia in 1904. (Eight years later in 1912, this would be the first ship to come to the Titanic’s rescue, and six years after that would itself be sunk by a U-Boat.) He had left Romania likely to escape anti-semitism. He’d eventually find his way out to Denver. Sadly, he’d die in 1918 (t…

It's worth noting that the 1918 flu was unique in that it killed many young, healthy people. Corona virus is more typical in that it's primarily killing the very old or otherwise ill. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se...

I don't know, but think it's reasonable to think that part of the reason for the 'W' shaped mortality curves in 1918 was not that the virulence of the 1918 flu was higher for people 20-40, but rather the incidence of infection was just much higher for all those soldiers running around in transport ships etc in Europe.

Another example where we draw inferences on something phenomena, without taking into account the broader context (in this case incidence rate)

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979-f2

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Here comes the fear mongering. We are far better equipped to handle epidemics and pandemics now than 100 years ago.

It's not even a matter of being equipped to handle it imo; all signs also point to COVID19 not being as serious as initially thought and far more mild than expected. Administrating the test for it is both expensive, and time consuming, so the gross number of known infections is likely to be substantially underreported because of selection bias (why run expensive RNA analysis on a blood sample if the person is having…

People who hold the above opinion, can you explain what makes you confident in your position, given that it’s in opposition to essentially the entire worldwide public health community?
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