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Post by stronglikedan »

baby wrote: post #35

I love zombies and I don’t really want to watch old movies. What are you guys list of best zombie movies? I’ve watched a ton in the emule days but unfortunately don’t know the name of most of these. My favorite weirdly is not a true zombie movie but a parody called shaun of the dead. Anyway I hope I’m starting a thread of good zombie movies :)

Juan of the Dead, if you can stand subtitles.

EDIT: While looking up the trailer, I noticed another one that looks, well...unique. It's named Fido from 2006.

Re: Love Zombies? Thank the Public Domain

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Post by SkyBelow »

onion2k wrote: post #40
SkyBelow wrote: post #21

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Wouldn't corporate branding be enough? Even if Mario entered into public domain, Nintendo Mario games would still be the superior choice. It isn't like people would be allowed to claim their game was an official Nintendo Mario game. Profitable IPs would also be able to grow their IP as a means of protection. For example, there would be a significant time lag between when Mario would enter the public domain and Yoshi…

It wouldn't be so much that thousands of people make a Mario game (people do that already) and Nintendo gets screwed as much as EA makes a Mario game and and uses the IP without paying Nintendo anything. EA being able to freely make "Battlefield Mushroom Kingdom III: Micropayments Edition" would not be a good thing.

Why would it not be a good thing? Every game involves people using public domain material and not paying the entity who would've owned it. Imagine if every game with dragons had to pay whomever currently held the IP for dragons, that wouldn't be good.

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Post by buckminster »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #64
masonic wrote: post #45

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So, Star Wars (A New Hope) should have gone public domain 12 years ago?

Obviously yes? The social contract is "we are willing to give you a time-limited monopoly, so that you get compensated for the work you did". Are you seriously arguing that star wars was financially unsuccessful and needs many more decades to break even?

Yet you would struggle to find the original movie, even if it was public domain. I'm pretty sure they keep updating Star Wars so that no available copy will ever fall out of copyright.

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Post by buckminster »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #60

I know a lot of artists and musicians (I work with them every day) and for considerable amount of them Copyright is absolutely NOT about money, it's about values. The work of art is a part of a creator which is at the same part separated but lacks its own will, so it's natural for the creator to wish some control over said part's faith. They don't want their work to be used in ads, printed on cheap paper with atrocio…

Most of the arguments for long copyright terms apply to creative work by one or a few named individuals.

Perhaps a start would be to slash copyright terms on works created by businesses. Companies would try to game this but the problems don't seem insurmountable.

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Post by Kaiyou »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #5

imo copyright should last 30 years from creation. Thats plenty of time to make a profit and it also allows things to fall in to public domain while they are still culturally relevant. Currently anything made within your lifetime will not be public until well after you have died which is a shame. It would be great if all of the past content which is now slipping in to irrelevancy could be revived by the public domain.

I think one year is enough, as that's the time the majority of the money comes in.

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Post by BurningFrog »

onion2k wrote: post #41
BurningFrog wrote: post #31

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Yeah, I can't think of a single example. Usually, I'd guess/assume/overconfidently assert that 90% of revenue happens in the first 5 years. Though I'm open to being corrected.

Where authors make money from their books they make it within a few years of publication. Where they make money from an adaption of their book it can be decades later. For example, Philip K Dick wrote Minority Report in 1956 but the film wasn't made until 2002 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adaptations_of_works_b... ). Lord of the Rings was written in 1937 and made in to the major films in 2001. More recentl…

OK, I'd say that argues for longer copyrights for adaptations than for the written book itself.

Though I'm not sure if that's feasible. Maybe the most use of copyright free books is adaptations?

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Post by kelnos »

ArnoVW wrote: post #75
kelnos wrote: post #70

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> Original author should probably get one free renewal that should cover most of his lifetime. I don't really get this. If someone spends 6 months, or even a year or two, writing a book, why should they be entitled to profits from the sale of that book for the rest of their lives ? That seems a little excessive to me.

If you find that excessive, do you also consider that founders of startups should relinquish their shares "to the public domain" after some time?

No, I don't. Because I don't equate ideas and property.

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Post by bsder »

kelnos wrote: post #70
bsder wrote: post #22

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Original author should probably get one free renewal that should cover most of his lifetime. After that, renewals should occur every 5 years and get expensive . The goal is to encourage those who can create to do so--not create a rental property in perpetuity for corporations or estates.

> Original author should probably get one free renewal that should cover most of his lifetime. I don't really get this. If someone spends 6 months, or even a year or two, writing a book, why should they be entitled to profits from the sale of that book for the rest of their lives ? That seems a little excessive to me.

> If someone spends 6 months, or even a year or two, writing a book, why should they be entitled to profits from the sale of that book for the rest of their lives?

Because, in spite of what the Internet thinks, good creators are rare and we should wish to encourage them.

In addition, good creators often aren't recognized immediately--there is time lag. Corporations shouldn't get to profit from your labor of 20 years simply because it took that long for you to become popular.

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Post by giorgioz »

dpwm wrote: post #67
giorgioz wrote: post #65

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To sum up I think more than a failure on copyright notice it was a failure in BRANDING. Branding requires special names. Terminator can be easily protected but if the movie was called Rising of the robots it would have not been possible to protect it. BRANDING is an important way to create a moat of defence around the product. Others can copy the product but not the branding

I'm not even sure that Terminator can be so easily protected. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminators_(film)

Yes indeed is very difficult to protect names without trademark them. That's why many startups/companies invent completely new names (ex Google). Once you trademark them it's easier to protecte them than a word that was already existing in the English language like terminator.

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Post by baby »

stronglikedan wrote: post #81
baby wrote: post #35

I love zombies and I don’t really want to watch old movies. What are you guys list of best zombie movies? I’ve watched a ton in the emule days but unfortunately don’t know the name of most of these. My favorite weirdly is not a true zombie movie but a parody called shaun of the dead. Anyway I hope I’m starting a thread of good zombie movies :)

Juan of the Dead , if you can stand subtitles. EDIT: While looking up the trailer, I noticed another one that looks, well...unique. It's named Fido from 2006.

Fido is interesting! It was novel enough to watch it if you like zombie movies, not the movie of the year though :)
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