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Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by Agenttin »

Andhurati wrote: post #4

What does this do besides drive them to Whatsapp? Indian Nationalist movement grew to the level it is today in part because of the rapid growth of Nationalist whatsapp echo-chambers.

In the end, the reddit admins aren't responsible for moderating whatsapp. Replacing TD moderators isn't a solution to end white nationalism, it's just about policing a forum which consistently flaunts site rules. If those people want to build their own site, with blackjack and hookers, they're more than welcome to. I mean, that's where Voat came from.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by commandlinefan »

iron0013 wrote: post #6

Any other subreddit would have simply been banned long ago for unremitting and unrepentant rule breaking and evasion. And by the subreddit moderators themselves, no less, not just the users!

Well, I don’t follow this that closely, but I do sort of follow, and it’s still not clear exactly what rules they were actually breaking: after all, Reddit doesn’t have that many. No illegal content, no real names, and no “group voting” (did I miss any)? Have the mods actually engaged in any of that? This seems to me to be very selective rule enforcement; every time I’ve looked through t_d, all I ever saw was silly pro-trump and anti-democrat pictures.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by loxs »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #19

A theoretical example 1. I develop a community dedicated to fascism. 2. I appoint moderators who are themselves avid ideological defenders of fascism. 3. Given the motives for belonging to the subreddit, the users naturally chafe at and violate the sitewide rules for reddit. They have their own interpretations of how to best implement and promote fascism. 4. Because of the moderators' sympathies for the underlying mo…

So, Trump memes are now fascism? Are we going to be surprised (again) when he wins again?

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by ordinaryradical »

baalimago wrote: post #20

The 'frontpage of the internet' is actively taking control of the subreddit of a presidential candidate, in an election year. I know that HN is highly against Trump, and probably cheer for this decision, but how is this not a democratic issue?

Reddit is a private enterprise and enforces its own rules for conduct across all communities and the_donald has routinely broken those roles as have the moderators. You don't have free speech on a private platform nor is there any democratic mandate to how Reddit must operate.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by botwriter »

baalimago wrote: post #20

The 'frontpage of the internet' is actively taking control of the subreddit of a presidential candidate, in an election year. I know that HN is highly against Trump, and probably cheer for this decision, but how is this not a democratic issue?

an upvote to you sir. anyone who says anything even remotely in favour of trump usally loses all there HN points.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by ceejayoz »

Andhurati wrote: post #4

What does this do besides drive them to Whatsapp? Indian Nationalist movement grew to the level it is today in part because of the rapid growth of Nationalist whatsapp echo-chambers.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjbp9d/do-social-media-ba...

> “We’ve been running a research project over last year, and when someone relatively famous gets no platformed by Facebook or Twitter or YouTube, there's an initial flashpoint, where some of their audience will move with them” Joan Donovan, Data and Society’s platform accountability research lead, told me on the phone, “but generally the falloff is pretty significant and they don’t gain the same amplification power they had prior to the moment they were taken off these bigger platforms.”

> There’s not a ton of research on this, but the work that has been done so far is promising. A study published by researchers at Georgia Tech last year found that banning the platform's most toxic subreddits resulted in less hate speech elsewhere on the site, and especially from the people who were active on those subreddits.

> There are lots of examples of people who have been deplatformed and have seen their power wane. After he lost his Fox News show, Glenn Beck couldn’t sustain his influence—The Blaze reaches only a fraction of the people he used to. Milo Yiannopoulos, the former Breitbart personality, was permanently banned from Twitter for inciting targeted harassment campaigns against actress Leslie Jones, and he resigned from Breitbart over comments he made about pedophilia on a podcast. His general prominence in public discourse has waned ever since.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by ordinaryradical »

loxs wrote: post #34
ordinaryradical wrote: post #19

A theoretical example 1. I develop a community dedicated to fascism. 2. I appoint moderators who are themselves avid ideological defenders of fascism. 3. Given the motives for belonging to the subreddit, the users naturally chafe at and violate the sitewide rules for reddit. They have their own interpretations of how to best implement and promote fascism. 4. Because of the moderators' sympathies for the underlying mo…

So, Trump memes are now fascism? Are we going to be surprised (again) when he wins again?

This is a bad take. I don't follow the_donald or its memes. I'm saying that if you build a community that is committed to breaking the rules of reddit it's going to get banned. You can insert knitting for fascism. It's the same across the board.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by handedness »

Agenttin wrote: post #31
Andhurati wrote: post #4

What does this do besides drive them to Whatsapp? Indian Nationalist movement grew to the level it is today in part because of the rapid growth of Nationalist whatsapp echo-chambers.

In the end, the reddit admins aren't responsible for moderating whatsapp. Replacing TD moderators isn't a solution to end white nationalism, it's just about policing a forum which consistently flaunts site rules. If those people want to build their own site, with blackjack and hookers, they're more than welcome to. I mean, that's where Voat came from.

Whatever one's personal views, selective enforcement has been used as a stick with which to beat certain groups and should concern everyone, even if–perhaps especially if–you aren't a member of the group being beaten at the moment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by uk_programmer »

maverick2007 wrote: post #7

I personally think that this article buried the lede as far as controversial Reddit actions go. Users now can be (and have been) banned for upvoting posts in quarantined subreddits (both on the right - T_D - and the left - Chapo Trap House - among others). I've seen controversy erupt all around Reddit about this and it doesn't feel right to me. If the content that people are upvoting is bad enough to get banned over…

It is literally punishing people for liking something they don't like. This used to be a meme on forums of when someone was complaining about people liking something in a thread about discussing said thing.
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