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Yes, though that's mostly rolled up in the gender statistics. Men are far more likely smokers than women in China. Mentioned in TFA.
Is the F in 'TFA' what I think it is?
> RTFM is an initialism for the expression "read the fucking manual".
> RTFA ("read the fucking/featured article"—common on news forums such as Fark.com[6] and Slashdot, where using "TFA" instead of "the article" has become a meme)
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I do have one question and I'm asking this seriously, not to start an argument or to attack someone. I also saw this here in a lot of the posts about covid-19. We have numbers, but every time people tend to ignore them or say we should not trust the numbers, take them with a grain of salt, "I think this is way worse, it's going to get way worse" and so on. It's like there is this thirst for disaster or some global dr…
The problem is in the healthcare capacities. I live in a country with ~2mio people. If you're patient zero here, you get a comfy private room, your own bed, 5 doctors, 10 nurses, whole research teams, respirators, priority with all the tests, examinations, etc. Same for patient 1, 2, 3. If 200k people get infected (10% of population), and only 10% of those need extra medical care, that's 20.000 people. We don't have…
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Doctors and nurses are exposed to a much higher viral load than most people. In Wuhan, they may also overwork and have insufficient sleep.
> higher viral load What is "higher viral load"? Isn't it binary - you are either infected or not?
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My reasoning for thinking this is worthy of panic: I recently moved to China. The PRC has good numbers (internally) and knows more about COVID-19's severity and risk profile than anyone else. And, on the ground, the PRC is putting the entire country on what amounts to wartime footing (in a way that's unimaginable to most HN readers), to the point that it's willing to sacrifice a quarter or more worth of economic prod…
It is interesting how in times of crisis, people start looking for a heavy handed, authoritative response to the situation. Moderates will be brushed aside as weak and impotent. I do not disagree with you on the point that China's response has been herculean, but we must not forget that this also comes at a hefty price, one that I am personally not willing to pay.
One that you're not ever willing to pay, regardless of what you'd get for it? Even if it saved a million lives?
Given N=1, we obviously don't currently know how effective these quarantine measures have been so far, compared to whatever platonic ideal that does not come at a 'hefty price'. [1]
I think it's more likely then not that we will have a better grasp on it in a few months, when other countries start having outbreaks, especially if they don't react seriously to them. It's becoming quite clear that travel restrictions on their own are not going to keep the virus isolated.
[1] I have no idea what exactly you mean by that, so I'm going to assume you are not a fan of the quarantine, as implemented in China.
Edit: Thank you for clarifying your point, by pointing out that your concern is for the overall context - the other repressive systems of the CPC. I am very deliberately not addressing them in this sub-thread.
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I think you're pretty far off the mark here. >90% of people have healthcare coverage in the U.S.[1]. Those that don't are likely illegal or homeless or in some way don't qualify for medical coverage (I also don't know how prisoners are counted in the data). Many people I know visit the doctor way more often than they need to or should (I know those who receive it free to purchase it to use employer insurance - like m…
I have heard multiple times that one of the problems with American healthcare is that we are over treated. Part of the reason our healthcare costs are so much higher is because we tend to get large amounts of doctor visits, presciptions, and procedures compared to other nations. I wonder how this squares with the notion I keep seeing about how Americans will avoid the doctor as much as possible?
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Isn't this something you can only get if you are in at risk group? I can't go to my doctor and just get a flu shot, I don't think?
In NL, I literally did just that: I walked in, asked if it was still worthwhile and the doc said “sure, we haven’t peaked on the flu yet. Want one?” I said “yeah” and we were done in 5 min max. I guess it’s somehow got to do with living in a country with some leftovers of the Socialist hellhole it used to be... /s
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I do have one question and I'm asking this seriously, not to start an argument or to attack someone. I also saw this here in a lot of the posts about covid-19. We have numbers, but every time people tend to ignore them or say we should not trust the numbers, take them with a grain of salt, "I think this is way worse, it's going to get way worse" and so on. It's like there is this thirst for disaster or some global dr…
> It's like there is this thirst for disaster or some global drama everywhere People like to pretend like the world is causing their internal state, that their mood is an inevitable product of the environment they're in. I feel catastrophic, disastrous, and look at all the evidence that the world is headed for a cliff! True, we're embedded in our world, but a peaceful person doesn't spend as much time focusing on Esc…
The general issue with this measure of mortality (dead/(infected + dead)) is that you're assuming that the infected won't die. In a disease that is exponentially growing, a better approximation of evaluating your survival chances is to look at the death to recovery rate (dead / (recovered + dead)). Based on the available data [1], we are closer to 7.8% than 2% mortality, which is closer to the final mortality rate of…
I think this strongly suggests that, as one would expect, the situation is much worse if patients lack the medical resources for care. And it also shows how important quarantine and preventative measures are.
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My reasoning for thinking this is worthy of panic: I recently moved to China. The PRC has good numbers (internally) and knows more about COVID-19's severity and risk profile than anyone else. And, on the ground, the PRC is putting the entire country on what amounts to wartime footing (in a way that's unimaginable to most HN readers), to the point that it's willing to sacrifice a quarter or more worth of economic prod…
Did you move to Hubei? I have been in Shanghai through this entire thing and have an extremely hard time believing you saw any corpses ferried out of your apartment complex. 94% of the reported deaths are in Hubei - what city are you in exactly?
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I do have one question and I'm asking this seriously, not to start an argument or to attack someone. I also saw this here in a lot of the posts about covid-19. We have numbers, but every time people tend to ignore them or say we should not trust the numbers, take them with a grain of salt, "I think this is way worse, it's going to get way worse" and so on. It's like there is this thirst for disaster or some global dr…
I'll be the guy. Yeah, I do want a pandemic. My reasons are my reasons, but a very dark part of me is incredibly excited about the prospect of millions of people dying. Just like how wildfires actually lead to healthier and more robust forests in the long-term, I think a real pandemic could be the bitter medicine we all need. For context: I am a millenial. As the status quo currently stands, I have absolutely NO hope…
The large part of the rest of us would love for people everywhere to continue to live and thrive.