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New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

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Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

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post #6

Netflix use IPFS? That's quite an endorsement and makes me take it a lot more seriously.

”Netflix and IPFS began collaborating on ways to incorporate peer-to-peer services into Netflix’s developer tooling”

Developer tooling is a pretty limited part of their traffic probably

Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

#12
post #4

Would be curious to know how using IPFS for internal container distribution compares to using BitTorrent. IIRC BitTorrent has found similar uses in the past. Also, how well does BitSwap work when the underlying network is congested? Do IPFS nodes do any kind of congestion control?

You can't update a torrent, if the content changes you have to create a new one. IPNS helps with that. And you can't share pieces across different torrents, if some still have the old torrent, they share it separately from the new one even if the differences are minimal.

Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

#13
Saving Netflix's bandwith costs by sacrificing your privacy.

IPFS and bittorrent don't do anything to protect the data you are uploading and your IP address.

Case in point: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/

Now every website you visit, any ad/tracker, any homecalling phone app can tell what movies and contents you watch and when you are at home. For years.

Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

#14

Saving Netflix's bandwith costs by sacrificing your privacy. IPFS and bittorrent don't do anything to protect the data you are uploading and your IP address. Case in point: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/ Now every website you visit, any ad/tracker, any homecalling phone app can tell what movies and contents you watch and when you are at home. For years.

I guess you mean "Making Netflix save bandwidth". You will get the same amount of data to watch the ninja turtles regardless if you use IPFS or not.

Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

#15

Saving Netflix's bandwith costs by sacrificing your privacy. IPFS and bittorrent don't do anything to protect the data you are uploading and your IP address. Case in point: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/ Now every website you visit, any ad/tracker, any homecalling phone app can tell what movies and contents you watch and when you are at home. For years.

I thought that ipfs is about high availability, fault tolerance, including some resistance against addressed censorship.

It never looked like an anonymizing tool to me; did anybody advertise it as such?

Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

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post #15

Saving Netflix's bandwith costs by sacrificing your privacy. IPFS and bittorrent don't do anything to protect the data you are uploading and your IP address. Case in point: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/ Now every website you visit, any ad/tracker, any homecalling phone app can tell what movies and contents you watch and when you are at home. For years.

I thought that ipfs is about high availability, fault tolerance, including some resistance against addressed censorship. It never looked like an anonymizing tool to me; did anybody advertise it as such?

"resistance against addressed censorship" does not work at all when all your traffic is made public.

People can be prosecuted or otherwise harassed for sharing contents on a P2P system.

> It never looked like an anonymizing tool to me; did anybody advertise it as such?

You are confusing "anonymizing" with "leaking a lot of information to the whole world".

They constantly "forget" to tell people about the huge security impact.

Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

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post #15

Saving Netflix's bandwith costs by sacrificing your privacy. IPFS and bittorrent don't do anything to protect the data you are uploading and your IP address. Case in point: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/ Now every website you visit, any ad/tracker, any homecalling phone app can tell what movies and contents you watch and when you are at home. For years.

I thought that ipfs is about high availability, fault tolerance, including some resistance against addressed censorship. It never looked like an anonymizing tool to me; did anybody advertise it as such?

Well to be fair it would be quite imprudent to have a file system where everyone can see what everyone is doing.

In particular it's pointless to be able to circumvent censorship if you can't do so anonymously.

Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

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post #14

Saving Netflix's bandwith costs by sacrificing your privacy. IPFS and bittorrent don't do anything to protect the data you are uploading and your IP address. Case in point: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/ Now every website you visit, any ad/tracker, any homecalling phone app can tell what movies and contents you watch and when you are at home. For years.

I guess you mean "Making Netflix save bandwidth". You will get the same amount of data to watch the ninja turtles regardless if you use IPFS or not.

Yes. Edited to clarify.

Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

#19
post #4

Would be curious to know how using IPFS for internal container distribution compares to using BitTorrent. IIRC BitTorrent has found similar uses in the past. Also, how well does BitSwap work when the underlying network is congested? Do IPFS nodes do any kind of congestion control?

You can't update a torrent, if the content changes you have to create a new one. IPNS helps with that. And you can't share pieces across different torrents, if some still have the old torrent, they share it separately from the new one even if the differences are minimal.

The article doesn't mention IPNS at all, nor does it talk about the need for mutating an image while it is being shared, so I'm not sure why you think IPNS is even desirable in this use-case?

Re: New improvements to IPFS Bitswap for faster container image distribution

#20

Saving Netflix's bandwith costs by sacrificing your privacy. IPFS and bittorrent don't do anything to protect the data you are uploading and your IP address. Case in point: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/ Now every website you visit, any ad/tracker, any homecalling phone app can tell what movies and contents you watch and when you are at home. For years.

They're using it internally, not for streaming to customers.
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