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Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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It's symptoms are pneumonia-like and it mainly kills the elderly. Is this is a new strain of pneumonia? If so, this seems like an overreaction? Edit: Not sure what the downvotes are about. I asked a question. So you can't fight it with drugs, it's highly contagious, hard to initially detect, its long-term effects are unknown, most have recovered and it's largely fatal to the elderly or those with existing conditions.

It's more severe and the ease of how it spreads is what is alarming.

Any virus that really cannot be controlled other than quarantine is never an over-reaction, infact often is the case people under-react to them.

People are dying, at a low rate, but they are dying, so it's much better to be pro-active.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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This is the email I sent my team last night.

We should consider working from home.

You may all have seen the news by now. A patient was just diagnosed with COVID-19 at UC Davis after having no known contact with anyone travelling. Importantly, they were diagnosed after being intubated already for 7 days. It is suspected that this is the first known case of public transmission of the virus in the US. From what we know about the incubation times and progression of the illness, that means they contracted it sometime between 14-21 days ago. This is the letter UC Davis sent to their staff.

If the virus has already been in the wild in California for 3 weeks, it seems likely to me that it has or will reach the bay area, and given the limited testing capability that has been reported, we may not know until the first cases end up in the ICU, weeks after exposure.

The death rate for young healthy people is relatively low, around 0.2%. It is much higher for older people, who it kills in double digit percentages. Still, 20% of the people it infects need intensive hospital care. Many epidemiologists now suspect that it is likely to become endemic, and that 40-70% of the world's population will contract it. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vac...

So what can we do?

The most important thing to keep the death rate low is to reduce the burden on the hospital system so that they don't end up with more cases needing critical care than they can handle. And the most important thing for reducing the burden on hospitals is to slow the spread of the virus, so that even if it ends up infecting all of us, it doesn't infect all of us at once.

We're fortunate enough that aside from impromptu collaboration and whiteboarding, all of our concrete tasks can be done at home. Most workers will not be in this situation, and will have to come to work to keep the economy running. For those of you familiar with random graph theory, the average number of edges in a graph has an exponential effect on its diameter, and so the best thing we can do is to avoid as much contact as we can. https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~novozhil/Teaching/767%20Data/ch...

For people coming to the office, the WHO has a document on getting your workplace ready for COVID-19 that I'd encourage you to read and internalize. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/getting...

I'm already conveniently WFH with a cold, which I hope is just a cold, but I think we should consider making this the norm, at least until we have more clarity on what the situation is.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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How much can we trust the data coming out of China?

How much can we trust the data coming from the American CDC? Why exactly would you distrust China, besides racism?

The governing construct has nothing to do with race.

A government that detains initial sources of ‘rumors’ of untreatable pneumonia should be trusted about as, say, a social network company governance that deletes non-proganda-aligned informational posts about spread of that pneumonia, or an election year government that reduced infectious disease control budgets and says nothing to see here move along.

Nothing to do with race.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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post #2

How much can we trust the data coming out of China?

How much can we trust the data coming from the American CDC? Why exactly would you distrust China, besides racism?

> Why exactly would you distrust China, besides racism?

Because, historically, they have not been trustworthy with this sort of thing?

Not trusting the Chinese government is way different than not trusting a Chinese person.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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post #9
post #4

It's symptoms are pneumonia-like and it mainly kills the elderly. Is this is a new strain of pneumonia? If so, this seems like an overreaction? Edit: Not sure what the downvotes are about. I asked a question. So you can't fight it with drugs, it's highly contagious, hard to initially detect, its long-term effects are unknown, most have recovered and it's largely fatal to the elderly or those with existing conditions.

Yes, and maybe? It's very similar to seasonal flu, but seemingly with a longer incubation period and more dangerous. On the other hand, seasonal flu also kills a lot of old people.

Another aspects not so much raised is that, where people can afford it, most people at risk are vaccinated against the seasonal flu.

Take a nursing home with people in the 80 to 100 years old range, all residents and staff are vaccinated against the flu. Even if the protection is not perfect there is some sort of herd immunity at playNow take the same nursing home, and for some reason someone from the staff is bringing the Coronavirus in, you are likely looking at a very high death rate.

Whatever the estimation of the death rate is, this is not a flat 1%, this is highly non linear depending on the context.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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post #2

How much can we trust the data coming out of China?

How much can we trust the data coming from the American CDC? Why exactly would you distrust China, besides racism?

Not OP, but: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coron...

I personally have trust that at least in the US, a whistleblower would speak out to media if the official announcement doesn't agree with the records s/he can see. Maybe this is also blind faith that the system still works in the US. Who knows if Trump has installed loyalists that deep, who will only report good news: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/26/johnny-mcent...

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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This is the email I sent my team last night. We should consider working from home. You may all have seen the news by now. A patient was just diagnosed with COVID-19 at UC Davis after having no known contact with anyone travelling. Importantly, they were diagnosed after being intubated already for 7 days. It is suspected that this is the first known case of public transmission of the virus in the US. From what we know…

> I'm already conveniently WFH with a cold, which I hope is just a cold.

I would be really interested in getting some take-home test packages that could be done for situations like these.

It would be irresponsible to go to a doctors office where elderly people could become infected.

Does anyone know if they exist ?!

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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post #4

It's symptoms are pneumonia-like and it mainly kills the elderly. Is this is a new strain of pneumonia? If so, this seems like an overreaction? Edit: Not sure what the downvotes are about. I asked a question. So you can't fight it with drugs, it's highly contagious, hard to initially detect, its long-term effects are unknown, most have recovered and it's largely fatal to the elderly or those with existing conditions.

The mortality rate may seem very low, but the symptoms are far more severe. When you get the flu it's rare you get pneumonia, not so much with this virus. The biggest problem is that it spreads without symptoms. That is, you can be infected & contagious for days (some Dr's suspect up to 3 weeks) and not have a clue because you seem perfectly healthy. So this has the potential to spread like wild fire. Further, 2 days ago some numbers out of China stated that up to 14% of previously infected became infected again. Lastly, a recent report also mentioned that detections in hospital were only able to detect 45% of the cases on the first try. So many are given clean bill of health and go on to infect many more.

Watch Italy and South Korea carefully, this thing is about to spread like crazy, even if mortality rates are negligible for young and healthy.

Lastly, SARs supposedly left some people with lung and brain lesions, it is unknown what the long term effects of this one will be.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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post #18

This is the email I sent my team last night. We should consider working from home. You may all have seen the news by now. A patient was just diagnosed with COVID-19 at UC Davis after having no known contact with anyone travelling. Importantly, they were diagnosed after being intubated already for 7 days. It is suspected that this is the first known case of public transmission of the virus in the US. From what we know…

> I'm already conveniently WFH with a cold, which I hope is just a cold. I would be really interested in getting some take-home test packages that could be done for situations like these. It would be irresponsible to go to a doctors office where elderly people could become infected. Does anyone know if they exist ?!

Short answer, no.
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