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Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you make things more expensive, less people will buy that thing. It will reduce emissions in the UK by reducing the airtraffic through the UK. Exactly the intended consequence.

Yeah no. LHR has one of the highest airport tax, yet still is a leading world hub and annual pax numbers keep going up.

That simply means, from a “prohibitionist” point of view, that the tax is not high enough.

Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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I for one have never understood (aside from the network effect and lack of choice) why anyone actively chooses to connect through LHR. The taxes on airfare are extortionate just because they can, you have to pay (!) for on-airport hotel shuttle buses, the facilities are dilapidated and designed with, um, British sensibilities, and transferring / security is an ordeal given how cheaply they choose to (under)staff the services.

It is pretty nearly the opposite of a SIN, MUC, or DXB, in my mind.

Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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People have gotten so used to flying they can't see how dependent and entitled they've become. When I share that I'm about to start my fifth year without flying, everyone tells me how impossible it is for them but they never try.

If they tried, they'd realize how much flying is spreading their lives and communities thin, undermining community.

A flight will bring you to a distant loved one. Flying in general disperses communities so you have to fly. Meanwhile we let our communities get covered with litter and garbage dreaming of escape enabled by flying.

Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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post #23

People have gotten so used to flying they can't see how dependent and entitled they've become. When I share that I'm about to start my fifth year without flying, everyone tells me how impossible it is for them but they never try. If they tried, they'd realize how much flying is spreading their lives and communities thin, undermining community. A flight will bring you to a distant loved one. Flying in general disperse…

Please tell me you're not driving the same journey?

Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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post #7

I live right next to Heathrow and am starting a micromobility company to tackle air pollution in this end of town, and hold an (albeit expired) PPL. Air quality is bad here for humans on the ground due to the dilapidated 10 year old diesel buses that tfl allow in West London, and the vast amount of Single occupancy vehicles that commute to and from Heathrow every single day. With the disaster that is Brexit on the ho…

You can clean up buses, trains, cars etc. It doesn't look like we will ever be able to make air travel carbon neutral.

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Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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post #7

I live right next to Heathrow and am starting a micromobility company to tackle air pollution in this end of town, and hold an (albeit expired) PPL. Air quality is bad here for humans on the ground due to the dilapidated 10 year old diesel buses that tfl allow in West London, and the vast amount of Single occupancy vehicles that commute to and from Heathrow every single day. With the disaster that is Brexit on the ho…

You can clean up buses, trains, cars etc. It doesn't look like we will ever be able to make air travel carbon neutral.

Ammonia, produced using renewable energy, is one carbon-neutral fuel that might work for aviation. The Royal Society just produced a full report on green ammonia and its possible role in a carbon-neutral economy: https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/green-ammon...

Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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post #23

People have gotten so used to flying they can't see how dependent and entitled they've become. When I share that I'm about to start my fifth year without flying, everyone tells me how impossible it is for them but they never try. If they tried, they'd realize how much flying is spreading their lives and communities thin, undermining community. A flight will bring you to a distant loved one. Flying in general disperse…

The second time I took a flight, it was from Denver to San Francisco, to visit family. At that point, the nuclear family's itinerary had been Pennsylvania-DC-Ohio-Colorado. The uncle and aunt's itinerary had been Pennsylvania-New York-Kentucky-Texas-California. All this dispersal was managed by automobile.

Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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I for one have never understood (aside from the network effect and lack of choice) why anyone actively chooses to connect through LHR. The taxes on airfare are extortionate just because they can, you have to pay (!) for on-airport hotel shuttle buses, the facilities are dilapidated and designed with, um, British sensibilities, and transferring / security is an ordeal given how cheaply they choose to (under)staff the…

It’s not terribly worse than most major hubs in the area. The only one I would rate higher, more or less in the same range from US east coast (which I guess is the major market for hub-like traffic in LHR) is Schiphol, but that’s another sprawl that probably cannot grow much more. Munich is nice but it’s so much smaller and significantly further afar from the US. CDG is an utter dump. I don’t know about the Spanish options, maybe those could compete more actively, but maybe they’ve got their hands full with SouthAmerican traffic.

Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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post #7

I live right next to Heathrow and am starting a micromobility company to tackle air pollution in this end of town, and hold an (albeit expired) PPL. Air quality is bad here for humans on the ground due to the dilapidated 10 year old diesel buses that tfl allow in West London, and the vast amount of Single occupancy vehicles that commute to and from Heathrow every single day. With the disaster that is Brexit on the ho…

Heathrow should be scrapped and replaced with the estuary airport.

Isn't that the one that would require digging up the SS Richard Montgomery and its thousand tons of waterlogged explosives? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Richard_Montgomery

Re: Heathrow third runway plans ruled illegal: not consistent with Paris agreement

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post #17
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More flights = more trains, buses, taxis and cars...

The new TfL rail line from Paddington (and peeling off from Elizabeth line) is electric, so, good. LHR can have a ULEZ and busses have more than ample opportunity to be cleaned up. This all comes down political will and proper incentives to get locals to clean up their commutes.

Doesn't the proximity of the M25 make it hard to enforce any emissions policy for traffic around Heathrow ?
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