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Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by ahasani »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #15
an_outsider wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.

That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, et…

I like how you use gravity as an example. Using the quote logic, Apollo project comes to my mind ;-)

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by tomohawk »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #15
an_outsider wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.

That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, et…

The point of the quote is to make people think before dismissing someone as being unreasonable. A person perceived as unreasonable may be the very person who is going against the grain, which is generally what you have to do to make progress.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by Certhas »

cosmodisk wrote: post #23
animalnewbie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

Not sure why you got downvoted so much, however I agree with the notion that entire Gsuite is a toy for kids to play. Try doing something similar and immediately start looking around thinking: where's my Excel?

Collaborative editing of large, complex documents involving dozens of domain experts.

The collaborative features of GSuite are best in industry, some other features are so - so. I know what expert Excel users can do with it, and it's truly impressive in its domain. But if I need to do that type of stuff I reach for Python typically.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by Gowan29 »

cosmodisk wrote: post #23
animalnewbie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

Not sure why you got downvoted so much, however I agree with the notion that entire Gsuite is a toy for kids to play. Try doing something similar and immediately start looking around thinking: where's my Excel?

Agreed. As a longterm users of both Excel and Google sheets, for simple tasks G-sheets is enough (and probably better for sharing). But any complex modelling should be done in Excel - it has far superior performance, short-cut keys, and analytical options. Being able to see the calculations easily for non-technical people is also a big advantage over other analytical products like Jupyter notebooks (e.g. Python / r) or SAS. Of course for really big data / stats modelling you need to use SAS/notebooks/stata (not a fan of the last one). Horses for Courses.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by raxxorrax »

cosmodisk wrote: post #23
animalnewbie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

Not sure why you got downvoted so much, however I agree with the notion that entire Gsuite is a toy for kids to play. Try doing something similar and immediately start looking around thinking: where's my Excel?

No serious engineer I ever met used Google docs for extended calculations. Although there are curious difference in software use depending on your location.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by C1sc0cat »

tluyben2 wrote: post #27
cosmodisk wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you got downvoted so much, however I agree with the notion that entire Gsuite is a toy for kids to play. Try doing something similar and immediately start looking around thinking: where's my Excel?

Depends on what you are doing right? Most people use spreadsheets for lists and simple sum() type of things; sheets works fine for that and is convenient. Same for the other gsuite stuff. Those sweeping statements never work; hordes of young people or ‘new computer users’ (people in poorer countries who can now afford tablets and low end laptops etc) never touched MS Office and won’t be thinking ‘where is my Excel?’…

Depends I have seen young supposedly "digital natives" use lesser tools like the google tools and create a complete Charlie Foxtrots

Normally they have zero idea about professional project work the concept of a version controlled document is something they have never heard off

And we are talking Major Brands and Major agencies here

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by DailyHN »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #36
tluyben2 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what you are doing right? Most people use spreadsheets for lists and simple sum() type of things; sheets works fine for that and is convenient. Same for the other gsuite stuff. Those sweeping statements never work; hordes of young people or ‘new computer users’ (people in poorer countries who can now afford tablets and low end laptops etc) never touched MS Office and won’t be thinking ‘where is my Excel?’…

Depends I have seen young supposedly "digital natives" use lesser tools like the google tools and create a complete Charlie Foxtrots Normally they have zero idea about professional project work the concept of a version controlled document is something they have never heard off And we are talking Major Brands and Major agencies here

Does excel version control come anywhere near sheets history feature?

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by C1sc0cat »

DailyHN wrote: post #37
C1sc0cat wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends I have seen young supposedly "digital natives" use lesser tools like the google tools and create a complete Charlie Foxtrots Normally they have zero idea about professional project work the concept of a version controlled document is something they have never heard off And we are talking Major Brands and Major agencies here

Does excel version control come anywhere near sheets history feature?

The entire concept of version control is something that whooshes by them 50,00ft

I was talking about having documents in source control vitally important when you may have ,multiple teams in several countries

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by adgasf »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #36
tluyben2 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what you are doing right? Most people use spreadsheets for lists and simple sum() type of things; sheets works fine for that and is convenient. Same for the other gsuite stuff. Those sweeping statements never work; hordes of young people or ‘new computer users’ (people in poorer countries who can now afford tablets and low end laptops etc) never touched MS Office and won’t be thinking ‘where is my Excel?’…

Depends I have seen young supposedly "digital natives" use lesser tools like the google tools and create a complete Charlie Foxtrots Normally they have zero idea about professional project work the concept of a version controlled document is something they have never heard off And we are talking Major Brands and Major agencies here

Google Docs solves the 95% case of version-control simply by bringing everyone to the head of master at all times.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by DailyHN »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #38
DailyHN wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does excel version control come anywhere near sheets history feature?

The entire concept of version control is something that whooshes by them 50,00ft I was talking about having documents in source control vitally important when you may have ,multiple teams in several countries

> Google Docs solves the 95% case of version-control simply by bringing everyone to the head of master at all times.
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