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Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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My opinion is that this type of "dark financing" is more common than many might suspect. I believe this tactic, used by some tech companies to attack competitors, is fairly effective. I imagine it is mostly employed by those like Oracle that aren't winning in the market.

I am not a fan but I wouldn't call Oracle "not winning". It has been a very profitable company for a very long time. I am not so sure if the current star companies will last that long.

Do their profits come from winning in new markets? I thought they mostly shake down their existing customers who are locked into Oracle systems.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

Right......

Google Docs had real time collaborative editing years before Microsoft.

Word online was a piece of crap for years. A decade? This is crazy talk. It's like how people call Microsoft teams good when using it is like loading pages in a Internet Explorer 6 app.

Who cares what you saw as an intern? Did they not release it because it was too good for the public?

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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post #4

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

Not sure why you got downvoted so much, however I agree with the notion that entire Gsuite is a toy for kids to play. Try doing something similar and immediately start looking around thinking: where's my Excel?

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.

That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, et…

That quote is so spot on that I'm going to get it printed on a mug.

Lets call the adaptive people "Alice", like in cryptography, and use one of your examples at random: Air conditioning.

A hundred years ago, if it was too hot Alice just shrugged and didn't do anything about it. She just accepted that "It Is What It Is." Around the turn of the century, one guy, named Willis H. Carrier, decided "enough is enough, I'm going to fix this" and invented modern electric air conditioning machines. These days Alice accepts the new state of things: you can buy air conditioners, and once purchased, you can turn them on.

But lets be honest: If Alice had to use a building without air conditioning, or broken air conditioning, there's a snowball's chance in hell that she'll actually do anything about it, despite the ready availability of such devices and specialised tradespeople to fix them.

I've regularly visit a government office where 200 people have sat sweating for three years because nobody lifted a finger to I dunno... maybe see what's wrong with the aircon.

This observation exactly matches my experience of the world.

I'd love to live in your world where most people go out of their way to improve the status quo in novel ways. It would be... magical.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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post #4

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

What alternatives did you use- Microsoft Office for those? Now I'm imaging if Oracle had invested in creating as many competitors for Google products as possible, Samsung-style, even in markets that don't make sense. Back in 2007, Sun had been working on an iPhone/iOS competitor named the jPhone. Imagine if Oracle had ended up continuing their work. Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java. http:…

> Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java.

Probably not, there were iOS/Android competitors until not too long ago but they all died: Windows Phone, webOS, Symbian.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What alternatives did you use- Microsoft Office for those? Now I'm imaging if Oracle had invested in creating as many competitors for Google products as possible, Samsung-style, even in markets that don't make sense. Back in 2007, Sun had been working on an iPhone/iOS competitor named the jPhone. Imagine if Oracle had ended up continuing their work. Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java. http:…

> Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java. Probably not, there were iOS/Android competitors until not too long ago but they all died: Windows Phone, webOS, Symbian.

It's funny imagining Oracle trying to undercut Google by competing with a half-baked iOS clone made (or rather, bought) by Sun, though. Perhaps they would've kept the fight just so they can hurt G, as they are currently doing now via litigation.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

Not sure why you got downvoted so much, however I agree with the notion that entire Gsuite is a toy for kids to play. Try doing something similar and immediately start looking around thinking: where's my Excel?

Depends on what you are doing right? Most people use spreadsheets for lists and simple sum() type of things; sheets works fine for that and is convenient. Same for the other gsuite stuff.

Those sweeping statements never work; hordes of young people or ‘new computer users’ (people in poorer countries who can now afford tablets and low end laptops etc) never touched MS Office and won’t be thinking ‘where is my Excel?’ only for that reason and just complete their work in sheets.

These are often people doing production work and not kids who are playing.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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post #4

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

It's funny you say this because I tried using Excel for basic fitness/nutrition tracking and it wouldn't let me because my Windows 10 license was having issues with Office.

I opened up Google Sheets and haven't looked back. I can update any spreadsheet from my phone and it's backed up on my Google Drives account. Would have given Microsoft a chance had they not been so particular about who can use their software.

I've used Excel for over a decade and am baffled by how restrictive the licensing has become.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, et…

That quote is so spot on that I'm going to get it printed on a mug. Lets call the adaptive people "Alice", like in cryptography, and use one of your examples at random: Air conditioning. A hundred years ago, if it was too hot Alice just shrugged and didn't do anything about it. She just accepted that "It Is What It Is." Around the turn of the century, one guy , named Willis H. Carrier, decided "enough is enough, I'm…

Hi, I'm Alicia from the Veneto (Venice if you like). I'd like to point out that we have been living in buildings that don't need air conditioning for 800 years, because our venacular architecture is designed to keep us warm in winter, yet cool in summer.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, et…

That quote is so spot on that I'm going to get it printed on a mug. Lets call the adaptive people "Alice", like in cryptography, and use one of your examples at random: Air conditioning. A hundred years ago, if it was too hot Alice just shrugged and didn't do anything about it. She just accepted that "It Is What It Is." Around the turn of the century, one guy , named Willis H. Carrier, decided "enough is enough, I'm…

AFAIK air con was discovered by building a machine to make air dryer so that photo rolls wouldn't spoil.

The fact that it emitted cool air was a side bonus in summer.

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