Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

bloomberg.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 50 posts

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#11

Post by karatestomp »

animalnewbie wrote: post #10
soared wrote: post #4

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

> To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office.

Know many teachers?

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#12

Post by akeck »

animalnewbie wrote: post #10
soared wrote: post #4

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

Most students in my state use gsuite.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#13

Post by an_outsider »

animalnewbie wrote: post #10
soared wrote: post #4

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#14

Post by jshevek »

"Oracle donated between $25,000 and $99,999 last year to the internet project..."

The upper bound is barely enough for two modest full time salaries? This is not much money. I wonder how much the project gets altogether, ie what proportion this is of the total income.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#15

Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

an_outsider wrote: post #13
animalnewbie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.

That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, etc). Progress depends on finding out the right balance of what can be adapted to you, and what you need to adapt to. Finding that balance requires reason. Thus all progress is dependent on the reasonable person.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#16

Post by animalnewbie »

akeck wrote: post #12
animalnewbie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

Most students in my state use gsuite.

Fine.i should have said Lowe information users.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#17

Post by Ididntdothis »

longtimegoogler wrote: post #7

My opinion is that this type of "dark financing" is more common than many might suspect. I believe this tactic, used by some tech companies to attack competitors, is fairly effective. I imagine it is mostly employed by those like Oracle that aren't winning in the market.

I am not a fan but I wouldn't call Oracle "not winning". It has been a very profitable company for a very long time. I am not so sure if the current star companies will last that long.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#18

Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

jshevek wrote: post #14

"Oracle donated between $25,000 and $99,999 last year to the internet project..." The upper bound is barely enough for two modest full time salaries? This is not much money. I wonder how much the project gets altogether, ie what proportion this is of the total income.

I doubt that this is the only such surrogate they are funding but you're right that this amount is pretty de minimus.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#19

Post by decebalus1 »

animalnewbie wrote: post #10
soared wrote: post #4

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss…

wrong bubble, mate. Anyway, aside from the generalizations and name-calling, I kind of agree with you, as someone who used both MS Office and GSuite in a business environment. Probably for the large majority of basic usage, there is no difference but for the type (and size) of stuff I was sometimes forced to deal with, GSuite was severely lacking, leading to frequent frustration and having to do meta-work in order to do my actual work.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#20

Post by thedance »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #17
longtimegoogler wrote: post #7

My opinion is that this type of "dark financing" is more common than many might suspect. I believe this tactic, used by some tech companies to attack competitors, is fairly effective. I imagine it is mostly employed by those like Oracle that aren't winning in the market.

I am not a fan but I wouldn't call Oracle "not winning". It has been a very profitable company for a very long time. I am not so sure if the current star companies will last that long.

I mean, sure, but looking at the last five years they are getting destroyed by clouds. Amazon, Google, and long-time nemesis Microsoft are all dramatically outperforming Oracle. Nobody wants Oracle's cloud products. The companies that are doing worse than Oracle are other dinosaurs like IBM and Dell. Even VMWare is beating them.
Post reply on HN