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Post by kragen »

xtiansimon wrote: post #152
kragen wrote: post #101

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Build and test Mark Jurey's penny stove design. You can do it in half an hour with household materials, and then you can fry an egg on a skillet over it. (If you have a gas stove, you can put the penny stove on the gas stove to provide the needed air space.) Alcohol is the best liquid fuel to use. It's nontoxic, can be extinguished with water, and serves double duty as an antiseptic and a nonpolar organic solvent. If…

‘Mark Jurey's penny stove‘ oh lord! If the virus doesn’t get you the fire you create in your house with this surely will. Not for nothing, seriously do not do this in the house, on top of your non-functioning whatever stove. Maybe in the sink? Or better outside like the backpacking stove it is meant to be used as. I actually have one of these I made from Guinness and soda can. It has absolutely no safety measure to p…

My electric stove is by necessity fireproof, as is my girlfriend's gas stove. If you have a combustible stove (!?) then the sink is a better idea, like you say. Or possibly the bathtub. Or the back yard. This is less of a concern for me because my house is not made from combustible materials.

I have in fact had a raging alcohol fire on top of another gas stove due to spilled fuel (for reasons much more stupid than cooking over a camping stove in my kitchen). Things stored above the stove started to burn (more stupidity). But because my stupidity didn't extend to using something like gasoline or lighter fluid, a cup of water instantly extinguished the blaze. Now I have an ammonium phosphate fire extinguisher in my kitchen. You should too.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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Post by 5bolts »

chipuni wrote: post #19
joshstrange wrote: post #17

Not sure if this is the right place but what would be best for one stock up on ahead of time? I'm thinking non-perishables or stuff with a high shelf life but what else should you consider buying?

Food that you like. Medicines. Imagine that you'll be stuck in your home for three weeks. What would you need?

so i need 24 cases of coke and 12 gallons of rum.

i can do that!

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Post by robomartin »

0xffff2 wrote: post #141
robomartin wrote: post #58

I'm advising everyone in my circle to prepare for a 30 to 45 day at-home stay and assume no stores will be open during that time. I think this is the prudent thing to do. I would also advise speaking to your neighbors to make them aware of the need to be prepared. To that point, buy a little extra of everything --well, maybe food only-- so you can help a few people out during what is likely to be a difficult time. Ha…

Since you asked, >I'm advising everyone in my circle to prepare for a 30 to 45 day at-home stay and assume no stores will be open during that time. I think this is the prudent thing to do. I think that's the paranoid thing to do. I'm stocking up a bit so that I can stay inside if I personally get sick, but that doesn't require 30-45 days of supplies. I don't even really have room for that much stuff in my tiny apartm…

Speaking of what you characterized as being paranoid...

Here's a dose of reality for you:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australians-in-italy-s-coronavir...

This could be reality in one or more US cities in days, weeks or months from now. Would it be better to take the time to be ready for this before people panic or just wait and wing it? Maybe go door-to-door betting for food and supplies? Sure, that sounds like an excellent plan.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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Post by robomartin »

v0tary wrote: post #174
robomartin wrote: post #143

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You are over-complicating simple advice that is perfectly reasonable and not extreme at all: Assume stores will be closed. Plan accordingly. Be glad if things don't play out that way. No harm done. Not difficult. Not extreme. Not a big deal. Just reasonable assumptions and planning in the face of what could be a very serious event in human history.

I have to agree here with robomartin. Stores might be open or they might not. Even though there is large chance they might remain open - they will almost certainly be overrun if this were to go into panic mode. I can't even buy dust masks at my local home improvement store as they are out of stock. And that's not even a necessity! Nothing wrong in being prepared for an emergency.

Exactly.

It makes me really wonder about these people who savagely down-vote stuff like this on HN. Are they so out of touch with reality? Or is it just a fun sport of sort. There's a strain of people on HN that love down-voting anything that is common sense. As if that single click will take reality and make it align with the way they would like the universe to exist. It's laughable at best, and very very sad. I don't really care about points but it is interesting to see how certain things are not debated and just stomped on and anything that aligns with the cargo cult is supported.

Here's news from Italy that very much applies to what I've been saying:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australians-in-italy-s-coronavir...

As you said, there's nothing wrong to prepare for an emergency. And, by definition, you have to do it before the need arises. I have no interest in having to fight though desperate mobs to get food for my kids. I pretty much got everything we need to shelter in place for about 60 days now, including medicine, masks, etc. I also got extra supplies to be able to help neighbors who might not be as prepared as we are. I guess I am an evil person for suggesting this and acting this way. So sorry.

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Post by humaniania »

koheripbal wrote: post #165
humaniania wrote: post #70

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Extremely low IMO. From what I have read it's like a stronger version of the flu.

I cannot believe people are still saying this. It's literally 1-2 orders of magnitude more deadly than the flu, and 5% of the survivors walk away with permanent lung damage.

Where did you see that? I have not seen anything like that reported and I feel like that would be pretty important information https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/as-coronavirus-spreads-m...

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Post by James_Henry »

humaniania wrote: post #185
koheripbal wrote: post #165

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I cannot believe people are still saying this. It's literally 1-2 orders of magnitude more deadly than the flu, and 5% of the survivors walk away with permanent lung damage.

Where did you see that? I have not seen anything like that reported and I feel like that would be pretty important information https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/as-coronavirus-spreads-m...

They say in the article that you linked that it looks like 20% of cases are severe and that the mortality rate is around 3% (though that is probably high because we are still early on in the epidemic). Last flu season around 1.4% of symptomatic cases ended up in the hospital and less than .1% of symptomatic cases ended with death. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

As for the 5% permanent lung damage figure, ARDS is found in around 20% of cases with mechanical ventilation for around 12.3% (https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronavirus-disease-2019-c...)

Survivors of ARDS often have decreased quality of life including lung damage and cognitive issues. I wasn't able to find percentages of these issues in covid-19-related ARDS survivors though.

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