Do you remember when Google used to have the motto "don't be evil"? Those were the days.
Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly, I tried Firefox for a while, and it's big enough of a downgrade compared to Chrome that I went back. A hard fork of Chromium specifically for Edge might not be the worse thing ever. Having two independently maintained versions of that engine might be enough to force more standardization than in a Chrome-only world.
When was this? Recently it's great for me - better than Chrome - with the exception that some extensions are Chrome-specific (meaning you have to repackage them for FF).
Hey, can you point me to a good guide for repackaging extensions?
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#263This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…
>They will eventually have to maintain a hard fork, the differences will grow such that they eventually have to increase their engineering spend on it to keep pace with just managing the rebases and patches or reimplement features themselves, This sounds dramatic but Microsoft is a company with 150000 employees. Maintaining a fork of Chromium while open source development continues is probably not an insurmountable f…
Companies don't throw money at products just because they can.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#264I’m honestly surprised people still tolerate Google. Just stop using shitty software from a shitty company that treats its users like shit. I did and so can you.
You are one of those privacy warrior tinfoil hat idiots aren't you?
Nope. Mostly I just got bored of the Google flavor. Plus it’s been getting progressively worse over time. Variety is the spice of life, they say.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#265If Google were truly behind open web standards then they would have nothing to fear and no need to promote one standards conforming browser (Chrome) over another (Edge, Firefox or whatever). This just shows that the ultimate desire of all these corporate backed browsers is some degree of vendor lock in, which is why they feel the need to advertise their browser when their competitor's is almost 99.9% identical in fun…
These are different teams within Google, and it's kinda not fair to say that Google is not truly behind open web standards. Their whole web developer advocate team is behind open web standards, and pushes it forward everyday. The engineering team actually working on Chrome is behind those standards, and pushes it forward. They work closely with other browser vendors. and try to make everything work everywhere. Then t…
This is a naive view of how things work in big corporations. They work hard on many levels to make sure different teams are aligned under the strategic interests of the company as a whole.
Sure, different teams might get in the way of each other now and then. But not at a strategic level and the managers don't let the veer too far off the main course. Unless I miss my guess, Chrome isn't just any product to Google. It had great strategic importance to them just like Android. I'm not sure if the main purpose of Chrome's existence is to drive open Web standards.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#266Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do they even know that Edge is Chrome based?
Good question. Probably all they know is that Microsoft released a competing browser and just asked the engineering team to do them a tool for showing annoying messages to the users based on the browser. I am sure marketing doesn't know/care if it was done with Chromium, 1994 Mosaic or matchsticks.
This is Google we are talking about. I would imagine they started working on competing strategies even well before Microsoft announced officially they are going to use Chromium.
You people seriously undermine the tech awareness of marketing teams, of Google no less.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#268This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…
> is behaving
Google has always been this- they use OSS for PR and are bigger enemies of openness than Microsoft. They just had the luxury to pretend otherwise
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
I reckon Microsoft can be even worse considering how much data they gather about you through telemetry built in Windows. Imagine if you're web dev using windows and edge along with vscode. Oof.
I work on Windows (speaking informally here, these are my own opinions and not those of my employer, etc.) We care a lot about GDPR and privacy, and there's been a big top-down push to reduce the amount of telemetry collected, including giving good justifications for anything we want to keep collecting. We have to make sure all the data is kept in GDPR-compliant systems that can handle the deletion and security polic…
I appreciate telemetry. Just give me my taskbar and start menu junplists back.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#270Since Edge is using chromium, Googl would be using user agent to sniff the browser.
As such, wouldn't it be smarter for edge to use impersonate chromium to bypass the checks?
As shady as it sounds, this approach has tremendous precedent