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Re: The oldest company in almost every country (that is still in business)

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It's distinctly 1996 here: https://businessfinancing.co.uk/the-oldest-company-in-almost...

On the world map, it's distinctly 1962. 1996 seems to be the correct date: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_Ecuatorial_Airlines

Fair point.

Regardless, with other entries in the 1990s, that's amazingly recent.

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The oldest continuously operating university in the Western Hemisphere is in Peru, established in 1551. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_universities_in... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_University_of_San_Mar... The Royal and Pontifical University of Mexico, in Mexico City, was founded several months later, the same year.

If I were feeling pedantic I'd mention the universities of Oxford, St Andrews, Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Aberdeen... As well as a handful in Spain and Portugal ;)

Your comment got me interested in where the Jagiellonian University in Krakow (alma mater to Copernicus) placed in these standings which led me to this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_universities_in...

Re: The oldest company in almost every country (that is still in business)

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> the pre-colonial population maybe didn't have a culture of setting up long running businesses This assumption of an entire continent as having a single culture is something that I find cringy at best.

I don't think the above commenter wrote that all of precolonial Africa had a single culture, only that precolonial cultures evidently did not have cultures with long standing businesses - at least as we understand businesses them today.

That's still attributing a single negative cultural trait to an entire continent, and using it to shallowly dismiss the effects of centuries of one-sided exploitation, enslavement, massacres, genocides, mass limb removal, debt slavery, literal slavery, etc etc. with "but what if it was their own fault?".

Re: The oldest company in almost every country (that is still in business)

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What leads you to select 325 as the founding year and not 1054?

First Council of Nicaea established church structure and Canon law. Also, we can trace the unbroken line of successive bishops to that date. The Great Schism of 1054 can be viewed as just a corporate split due to political pressure, which it was. It didn't seriously change anything about the business of the parent company.

> It didn't seriously change anything about the business of the parent company.

It sort of did, though. Easier to define your own standards when you don't need consensus from peers, no?

In either case, I think it's funny to consider the Roman Catholic Church as "the parent company". It's a little dismissive of all other Apostolic Sees and sort of rewrites history a bit to imply that Roman Catholicism was the root of Christianity. Technically, you'd want to use the pre-ecumenical council of Jerusalem (year 50) and that nearly all modern Orthodox churches and the Catholic church share a starting date.

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Can you clarify on which orthodox church? Greek, Russian and Ethiopian all come to mind, but I'm not aware of a general middle eastern one (genuinely curious). Perhaps it wasn't called orthodox back then (prior to 300AD)?

Oriental Orthodox Churches: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_Orthodox_Churches Are probably the most "Middle Eastern", but apparently they, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Catholicism were all the same church until various splits happened, so I'm not sure if you can say any of them are "older".

The Orthodox churches really just get to trace their lineage to their respective founding apostle. If we do assume that the apostles that had to travel the least from Jerusalem were the ones whose churches started first, then Syria and Egypt (Coptic) were probably the first. Granted, we're making a big assumption.

Re: The oldest company in almost every country (that is still in business)

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I think that the crown of the oldest running business should go to the Roman Catholic Church, which was formally created in 325 AD, but in practice is a couple of centuries older. It is also the first transnational corporation in history.

Armanian Orthodox Church (est. 301) predates that slightly (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_the_Illuminator )

Sort of. I don't think any respective Orthodox church had a distinct recognition prior to the first ecumenical council (year 325), though I may be wrong on that. Plenty of people like to claim "first", but there's no strong consensus on which branch of Orthodoxy was first, though I know there's a lot of cultural pride built up in a few of the churches thinking they were first.

Re: The oldest company in almost every country (that is still in business)

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Regardless of whether you believe in them, I think the longevity of religious organizations points the way towards how the human race can plan and advance with projects that cannot be completed in a single lifetime. Projects that require a vision beyond 10 years, much less 20, are exceedingly rare. Very, very few companies last more than a generation or two. This map in the article might make it seem like there are l…

If you had a convenient time machine and gathered up say, a group Catholics from today, a group from 100 years ago, and a group from 1000 years ago, you'd have three groups of people with radically different beliefs. They might even disagree with the idea they followed the same religion.

Part of what makes religions last is bending to the changing times. A lot of the ones that didn't have faded away.

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If I were feeling pedantic I'd mention the universities of Oxford, St Andrews, Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Aberdeen... As well as a handful in Spain and Portugal ;)

Your comment got me interested in where the Jagiellonian University in Krakow (alma mater to Copernicus) placed in these standings which led me to this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_universities_in...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22428584 ;-)
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