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"real French" "the kind [of] people that loot trains" As littlestymaar points out, this sounds an awful lot like dog-whistling.
Is he wrong though?
I've been checking for updates on the virus several times a day since it first started being reported in Western media around Jan 20 (in part because it's been a fun distraction, in part because I have friends in Wuhan). I like to think I'm generally an optimist, but I think it's been clear for several weeks now that this is going to have a significant worldwide impact. There are just too many factors in favor of unc…
Living in Tokyo and just returned from Seoul yesterday. It's striking how differently the countries are handling this issue. Korea is pretty much on lockdown -- the government and the population are being quite proactive. Masks everywhere, thermal guns at junctions with high human traffic. Water fountains shut down, etc. Even the airport staff at the eateries were undergoing temperature checks before interacting with…
How so? Like covering their mouth but not nose, or something?
(I'm just wondering if it's something like that that should be obvious, or if there's something more subtle I'm unaware of)
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young, fit, have global travel, health and emergency insurance and enough savings to immediately head to the airport if we needed too..
I think people forget whilst they are themselves fit and in a low-risk category, they will still get ill just probably not severely, and importantly will be a carrier to spread the virus to others. To near-family, children, nieces & nephew and grandparents, or just to more at-risk people they meet on the bus, cafe, office, hospital, etc. Or indirectly to other fit people who eventually down the line infects a high-ri…
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(Re-posting this to bypass the censor-downvoting that is going on. Factual information needs to be emphasized, and the same few accounts are downvoting everything that doesn’t promote panic.) The virus is like the flu unless you’re old or sick. More specifically: 0) In the case of the parent, I was saying that the virus spreads and infects people in the same manner as other upper respiratory viruses. It does, this is…
Please don't pollute HN by just reposting your comments because you don't like that people are downvoting you. Make a better argument.
I’m reposting only because these are basic facts about the virus, and misinformation is rampant, spread mostly by yourself and the other 3-4 people who are downvoting every comment I make.
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I see you’re still hard at work spreading the falsehood that “it’s just like the flu, unless you’re old or sick”. 1. I find the lack of concern about dramatically higher mortality rates for the old and the sick to be reprehensible. They’re people, even if they’re older or sicker than you. 2. It doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense for China to shut down the economy over something so minor. 3. The hospitalization r…
The virus is like the flu unless you’re old or sick. These are facts and you are still wrong. More specifically: 0) In the case of the parent, I was saying that the virus spreads and infects people in the same manner as other upper respiratory viruses . It does, this is a fact, and fatality rates are not relevant. 1) I’ve never said that I have no concern about old or sick people. I said that young healthy people sho…
2) Hospitals are overwhelmed in Wuhan, which is why they're furiously building more and sending thousands of medical staff there from all over China. I genuinely don't understand how you can be unaware of this and be so dogmatic at the same time.
3) The error bars are large, but it's not like they overlap or come remotely close to it. And again, your personal assessment that this mortality rate isn't worth worrying about means nothing to me, especially when virtually every credible expert disagrees.
Finally, please drop this lazy "do not panic" rhetoric. No one is panicking, or suggesting panic. The only hysterical person here is you.
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Looking at CDC's response so far: 1. Testing only 400 cases across the whole country. 2. Defective test kits which will only be fixed until Mid March 3. Hawaii now asking ask Japan(which by itself is doing a horrible job at handling the situation) for test kits because they have none, and test 0 people so far. Doesn't seem first world to me honestly. Might have South Korea gives them some lessons as how to deal with…
We had been making due with Lab Developed Tests (LDTs). They work fine but they're only allowed to be used at the lab that developed them and we're going to need tests that can be run at hospitals. The CDC can legally issue emergency tests that can be distributed the way we need to. But for these to be used the FDA had to issue an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). And that couldn't happen until the Health and Human…
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The virus is like the flu unless you’re old or sick. These are facts and you are still wrong. More specifically: 0) In the case of the parent, I was saying that the virus spreads and infects people in the same manner as other upper respiratory viruses . It does, this is a fact, and fatality rates are not relevant. 1) I’ve never said that I have no concern about old or sick people. I said that young healthy people sho…
1) No one should panic, period, even if they are old and sick. But just because you're young and healthy doesn't mean you shouldn't be just as concerned because it's less likely to kill you specifically. Do you seriously not have any loved ones or coworkers or friends who are old or sick? Or can you just imagine that other people do? 2) Hospitals are overwhelmed in Wuhan, which is why they're furiously building more…
I’ve never said “don’t be concerned.”
Your other arguments are made up. Wuhan has built a number of facilities, but currently appears to have the epidemic at hand. No other areas have been “overwhelmed”, even within China. Representing medical facilities as “overwhelmed”, at the current time, requires citation from a reputable source.
Maybe in some theoretical future world it’s possible that medical facilities around the world will be overrun with sick patients. This is nowhere near the current reality.
Overlapping of error bars on fatality rates is irrelevant to my arguments; the absolute risk is much, much lower than the flu, for most people, in most places.
Everything you’re arguing here is a scare tactic, twisting kernels of truth to panicked ends.
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When you have an initial outbreak, you have a single original source of the incident and no possibility of people outside the area bringing in additional sources of the virus, because the virus hasn't spread outside the area yet. If you contain it locally, you have contained it completely, full stop. The situation for other countries is completely different. Someone could fly into Japan right now from anywhere in the…
No you don't, there is 27 days incubation factor which means 27 days before the initial outbreak for things to spread and no possible way to do anything about that. Then you have whatever time for doctors to identify that this is something new and a big deal, again time that things can spread without your ability to control it.
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Well from what we've seen in Japan and South Korea, that seems to be far from guaranteed. Those countries had all the warnings they needed, and knew much more about the virus than the earlier days, yet they still failed to contain the initially small outbreaks.
How can they have all the warnings they needed if China didn't give them the right info from the start ? That 27 days incubation period got a lot of people infected and becoming carriers. It's like, China had a relatively well defined outbreak center while other countries started with a wide spread invisible web of carriers.
So what country gave China info from the start? Japan and SK had a lot more info with regard to the disease (human to human transmission, asymptotic transmission, 14 days incubation period, hell even the RNA sequence was done on the virus) than what China had at the beginning.