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Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by smoyer »

spinglespingle wrote: post #7
tyingq wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't make the US press, because all of that is a pretty typical US jail experience, sadly.

the US has successfully become a 3rd world country. power in the hands of a few: check corruption at the highest possible level: check a gradually more authoritarian "leader": check a people who support such a leader: check military might used against political opponents: check enormous amounts of poverty cleverly ignored: check the list goes on. i suppose there is a time for every powerful nation to go into a deep d…

I think we're more like a first-world banana-republic.

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Post by raxxorrax »

bilekas wrote: post #55
fit2rule wrote: post #51

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The real cunts are those justifying war crimes and continued criminal, illegal crimes against humanity in the form of the 5-eyes imperialist wars. Not a word of criticism about those guys, eh - no, instead, we'll just shoot the messenger. There will be more leaks, Assange or not. The truth is, there are far, far more worse crimes committed by the 5-eyes Coalition to be revealed on the horizon. Assange is just one of…

> The real cunts are those justifying war crimes and continued criminal, illegal crimes against humanity in the form of the 5-eyes imperialist wars. Not a word of criticism about those guys, eh - no, instead, we'll just shoot the messenger. Thats a different topic and a different discussion, but sure, you just throw them all in together becase you have an opinion on one of them. > blowing the lid on the Wests' illega…

> Thats a different topic and a different discussion

No, it is the reason for the prosecution.

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Post by linuxftw »

spinglespingle wrote: post #7
tyingq wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't make the US press, because all of that is a pretty typical US jail experience, sadly.

the US has successfully become a 3rd world country. power in the hands of a few: check corruption at the highest possible level: check a gradually more authoritarian "leader": check a people who support such a leader: check military might used against political opponents: check enormous amounts of poverty cleverly ignored: check the list goes on. i suppose there is a time for every powerful nation to go into a deep d…

As if any of this is recent. People keep voting for the same crooks, generation after generation. Another election cycle, nobody is talking about the wars, just what benefits the government should pay for.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by raxxorrax »

bilekas wrote: post #58
henearkr wrote: post #41

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That "it's normal" that governments have secrets is something that should be of the past. It goes hand-in-hand with the existence of conflicts and international tensions. Which I also think should be of the past, for the sake of it. Then there is the way to manage lots of citizens while protecting their privacy, and for that we already have a lot of anonymization techs, using hashs, and sym or asym ciphers, etc... th…

> That "it's normal" that governments have secrets is something that should be of the past. The world doesn't work that way. It probably wont for a long time so grow up. > Which I also think should be of the past, for the sake of it. Then there is the way to manage same as above, I agree with you, but reality is what it is. > that's just a matter of now doing it instead of just knowing how we can do it... Yup again a…

The world does not work that way because you are unable to shape it. Of course it could be different.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by linuxftw »

101404 wrote: post #63
untog wrote: post #30

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The rape accusations were credible, he just refused to answer to them. That doesn’t mean they were invalid in the first place, it just means they’ll never be proven in a court of law.

No, the police in Sweden invented them. The UN special investigator documented the whole thing pretty thoroughly. But apparently some people still stick with the lie. Propaganda is pretty effective.

It was incredibly effective. His support dropped to almost nothing overnight because nobody wanted to be seen supporting a rapist.

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Post by woah »

scient wrote: post #59
discordance wrote: post #19

Free Assange

He has done enough damage with his "work" on leaks with Russia. No thanks.

The democrats rigged their own primary process and when this was revealed, it pissed off their base so much that they lost the election. You can’t blame the guy who brought these sordid deeds to light.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by bilekas »

lolc wrote: post #139
bilekas wrote: post #109

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> 1. Assange may be innocent, but it does not matter as the real verdict was already rendered. This is just a formality. 2. His pre-punishment punishment is not as bad as it could have been somewhere else. 3. Assange knew what he was getting into, therefore he does not have basic human rights ( variation of: you don't kick the bear argument ) I get what you mean and yes, you have a point. I guess I'm just surprised t…

It's easy to say this was going to happen. (Especially after it happened.) But it's not a natural law like boiling water burning one's hand. Proteins are always going to be damaged by heat. But here we observe due process being violated. It's not a natural law that due process is going to be violated. Violations depend on attitude, checks and incentives. As a society, we can shape those to a large degree! We could ha…

> But that does not invalidate our complaints now!

No but they are less appreciated. A sense of 'NIMBY' overcomes me reading the pitty for Assange.

> Violations depend on attitude, checks and incentives.

Yup, and given that we all knew this was going to happen, what did we say before ? — Nothing.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by raxxorrax »

bilekas wrote: post #49
celticninja wrote: post #40

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It's wrong. Just to clarify that for you. It's not a guess.

I'm not sure how you can say that with such confidence. I am of the same opinion as you, but I do know why sometimes the people in positions of sensitive information might want to set an example to not let it happen again so easily.

If anyone find compromising information about war crimes, everyone should leak the shit out of it. Please excuse the profanity.

It isn't just your duty, it is also the right thing to do. So better no make that your defense.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by reallydontask »

_iyig wrote: post #29
Tomte wrote: post #12

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The article is about England...

Why have you been downvoted? You are correct. This extradition hearing, and the alleged mistreatment of Mr. Assange, is taking place in London under British authorities.

if we are splitting hairs, it's not England but the United Kingdom

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by dijit »

megous wrote: post #116
ganzuul wrote: post #9

This is horrifying. As a European I'm afraid to even visit the USA. I'd expect this from some third world hellhole but not from a country which professes to have the rule of law.

Wait till you realize that US government officials can shoot you at the border at whim and they will not be even tried or your family allowed to take this to US courts, no matter the reason for the murder. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/25/politics/supreme-court-cr... > Justice Samuel Alito, writing for the majority, said that "regulating the conduct of agents at the border unquestionably has national security impli…

Truthfully though, it would be an international incident with lots of press coverage if someone from a western country was killed at the US border.

The more insidious stuff to my mind is anything that can be made to look fuzzy or complicated.

The populace gets divided on tiny/minute details and speculation, even _if_ they discuss things, which is not a given when it's something that can be made to look unclear or contested.

It's true that you have no rights as a non-US citizen at the US border, you can be detained for any reason on entry; so ask yourself: Would the media be interested in the fact you got detained for 9hrs? Even if you were abused in custody? (and not provably so).

I think that's unlikely, but that's a big deal to most people.

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