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Post by lotsofpulp »

yulaow wrote: post #414
lotsofpulp wrote: post #397

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>Also to note, fatality rate might seem low, but 20% of ALL patients will develop severe lung issue, that is what makes this virus pretty damn dangerous to us. Source?

- 13.8% are severe, developing severe diseases including pneumonia and shortness of breath. - 4.7% as critical and can include: respiratory failure, septic shock, and multi-organ failure. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-sympto...

I don’t know how reputable that website is, the company that owns that website has less than 10 employees and was founded in 2016. I’d rather get the info from CDC/WHO/other reputable organizations for info.

Lots of grand claims on this website too, makes it seem sketchy:

https://dadax.cn/en/about-dadax/

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Post by mdszy »

rococode wrote: post #46

I've been checking for updates on the virus several times a day since it first started being reported in Western media around Jan 20 (in part because it's been a fun distraction, in part because I have friends in Wuhan). I like to think I'm generally an optimist, but I think it's been clear for several weeks now that this is going to have a significant worldwide impact. There are just too many factors in favor of unc…

A "fun distraction"? That's some of the most psycopathic shit I've seen on this site, ngl.

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Post by bdavisx »

bitreality wrote: post #345
woopdidoop wrote: post #294

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> Do you really think it will be any different in the USA or Europe? Will the governments ban conventions? Close restaurants and bars? Shut down shopping malls? You are poorly informed. The Italian government did precisely that this weekend.

Just wait until it happens on a massive scale, and does not appear to be stopping the spread of the virus. People in the West are going to be tough to keep on lockdown. The entire purpose of lockdowns and quarantines at this point seem to be delaying until a vaccine is ready. This will be hard for the average person to understand, and people think much more critically in the West.

>people think much more critically in the West.

From what I've seen, the majority of the people anywhere don't think very critically.

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Post by senordevnyc »

saiya-jin wrote: post #560
bitreality wrote: post #556

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The disease has spread in places like Singapore and Thailand, which are warmer in February than most Northern Hemisphere cities are in summer. The notion that everything will just die down come Spring is blindingly optimistic.

How do those place fare with regular flu? Parents optimism comes from the notion that in colder climates, there is almost no flu during warm months.

Influenza is a totally different virus though. That said, other corona viruses do tend to display seasonality but experts are uncertain about this latest one:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/what-happ...

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Post by dredmorbius »

bitreality wrote: post #556
aazaa wrote: post #550

This same tough decision-making process will play out thousands of times in the next few months. Any event that draws an international crowd poses an elevated risk. You can't know where people have been or what kind of screening process has been applied. If you're planning on attending a tech conference with an international crowd, now is the time to reconsider. The possibility of asymptomatic transmission through ca…

The disease has spread in places like Singapore and Thailand, which are warmer in February than most Northern Hemisphere cities are in summer. The notion that everything will just die down come Spring is blindingly optimistic.

Despite WHO-Philippines's warning that transmission in tropical/subtropical regions is possible, on February 7, the country only reports 3 cases. All resolved: 1 death, 2 recovered.

https://twitter.com/WHOPhilippines/status/122595608284710912...

Mortality from Wikipedia: https://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_outbreak Upstream source: https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus...

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Post by trengorilla »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #457
stef25 wrote: post #453

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What would have to take place for you to stop thinking this virus is going to push the entire world over the edge and fully in to 1984? CDC and WHO are probably not perfect but saying they "utterly failed" because you're angry over not getting a free face mask is a bit disrespectful toward the many people their working their asses off in times like these.

> because you're angry over not getting a free face mask is a bit disrespectful toward the many people their working their asses off in times like these. my partner is a health care professional and there aren't enough masks for them (this is central Europe btw). but yeah tell me about how hard they work and how I don't appreciate them.

From what I understand the masks are utterly useless against this anyway.

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Post by refurb »

numpad0 wrote: post #427
jonplackett wrote: post #419

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This is a thoughtful comment. Don’t see why it’s getting downvoted.

“in Japan if you test positive the hospital gets quarantined losing tons of money” is at least inaccurate, Japan has national healthcare that short-term “sales”/cash strapping don’t matter for hospitals. Economy wise there’s nothing for their corporate to lose OR gain.

I’m not sure that matters.

Look at any government institution in the US - despite not having a profit motive, there are still plenty of incentives to grow the budget - increased influence in the government, funding pet projects,etc.

And not to mention shutting down a hospital likely means lost wages for a lot of people.

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

aazaa wrote: post #550

This same tough decision-making process will play out thousands of times in the next few months. Any event that draws an international crowd poses an elevated risk. You can't know where people have been or what kind of screening process has been applied. If you're planning on attending a tech conference with an international crowd, now is the time to reconsider. The possibility of asymptomatic transmission through ca…

Undoubtedly. What is oddly striking is the vast number of similarities between the current viral outbreak and the plot of the movie Contagion ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagion_(2011_film) )

Outside of the behind the scenes stuff we can't know yet this thing is moving at a remarkably similar arc—save for the severity and fast incubation time of the virus in the film.

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Post by thrwawaycorona »

knzhou wrote: post #295
thrwawaycorona wrote: post #281

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Your first item is just a dumb misunderstanding of basic terminology. Recombinant doesn't necessarily mean man-made. It literally just means anything involving a combination of different DNA, whether that occurs naturally or artificially. The second item is true but completely unrelated. The third item was thoroughly debunked by a hundred real scientists the day it was posted. The paper had never passed peer review,…

I told you I was happy for anyone to debunk it, and I called them garbage references. :)

Thank you for letting me know the HIV paper was withdrawn, I confirmed this withdrawn status at this link:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

Could you help me do the same thing and help me find a reference that mentions recombinant DNA can be natural?

This article defining recombinant DNA uses the term laboratory in the definition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombinant_DNA "Recombinant DNA (rDNA) molecules are DNA molecules formed by laboratory methods of genetic recombination."

Later it contrasts the word "recombinant" with natural recombination:

"Recombinant DNA differs from genetic recombination in that the former results from artificial methods in the test tube, while the latter is a normal biological process that results in the remixing of existing DNA sequences in essentially all organisms."

Can you give a reference in English that uses "recombinant" about any natural process? However it could be a translation error, so perhaps recombinant means artificial in English (per the reference I just gave) whereas perhaps the source they translated just mentions it is "genetic recombination" (not recombinant).

The Wikipedia article uses "laboratory method" and "artificial methods in the test tube" as explicitly contrasted with normal biological processes.

Just looking for a reference that this is not so.

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By the way the news you confirmed - i.e. "Chinese scientist made GMO human babies" IMO is much more salacious and spectacular than the news you debunked, so I am not sure why you took this tone with me.

It would be like if you debunked chemtrails and called me an idiot for asking you about it, while incidentally confirming that space aliens visited Earth but saying this has nothing to do with chemtrails. To my ears the idea of GMO babies, which you confirmed were being made in China, is way more outlandish than a GMO virus.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

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Post by istjohn »

tasogare wrote: post #508
littlestymaar wrote: post #313

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> Do you really think it will be any different in the USA or Europe? Will the governments ban conventions? Close restaurants and bars? Shut down shopping malls? Look at Italy right now. > Or will instead, in the interest of "the economy" (ie, money) keep too light a hand on things. Sure, but this has nothing to do with authoritarian states vs democracy. You'll find a ton of authoritarian states doing exactly the same…

> I'm French, and we've been lucky so far, but I expect chaos when it's going to start. The government has long lost all political legitimity here, and people absolutely distrust them, so I don't think they will not peacefully comply to government attempt to limit the propagation. Lot of French follows the rules. They will complain (a lot!) about and break them here or there but I expect most real French to mostly fo…

"real French" "the kind [of] people that loot trains" As littlestymaar points out, this sounds an awful lot like dog-whistling.
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