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Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

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Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

#31

There's a great (long) article on the building of the Palace of Westminster at https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay... , on how new infrastructure has just been added over time, never removing the old stuff because there's no time, and—with plans being lost—how this results in new shafts being found every now and then in the course of fixing leaks etc.

Good to see both software architects and architecture architects run into same issues with legacy stuff.

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Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

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post #28
post #8

I wonder if the “graffiti artist” Tom Porter and the recorded stonemason Thomas Parker, are actually the same person. A cockney accent interacting with an RP ear would make Porter and Parker quite similar. Name misspellings of labourers were likely very common before mass-education was introduced in late XIX century.

>A cockney accent interacting with an RP ear would make Porter and Parker quite similar Not really? The first vowel and third consonant are different in both dialects. (Note that while the 't' in Porter is subject to t-glottalization, the 'k' in Parker isn't.)

> The first vowel and third consonant are different in both dialects.

To my eye, each word has no more than two consonants in RP?

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

#35

There's a great (long) article on the building of the Palace of Westminster at https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay... , on how new infrastructure has just been added over time, never removing the old stuff because there's no time, and—with plans being lost—how this results in new shafts being found every now and then in the course of fixing leaks etc.

Good to see both software architects and architecture architects run into same issues with legacy stuff.

Blocking a hall is like commenting out code.

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

#37

I wonder how much history would be lost to us if people didn't write stuff on walls. :D

I recall reading a hand-wringing article about a canyon with a lot of ancient Native American graffiti carved on the walls, and how it was in a state of crisis because modern American teenagers kept carving their own graffiti on the walls.

I don't really see how we can defend the idea that the ancient graffiti is historically valuable and it's a good thing it was left there, but the modern graffiti is a menace that needs to be stamped out.

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

#38
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since 2016, UK laws have not been recorded on vellum anymore [0] [0]: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/12149181/Thousand-year...

From the government that destroyed all Windrush records, comes another shocking tale of incompetence with malicious undertones. Laws are written down to make them as permanently-accessible as possible, which acts as defense against capricious rulers. Anything that makes them less permanent is a small blow to the rights of everyday people.

Clearly we should start casting the laws into stainless steel plates.

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

#39
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A cockney accent interacting with an RP ear would make Porter and Parker quite similar Not really? The first vowel and third consonant are different in both dialects. (Note that while the 't' in Porter is subject to t-glottalization, the 'k' in Parker isn't.)

> The first vowel and third consonant are different in both dialects. To my eye, each word has no more than two consonants in RP?

To your ear you mean? Yes, both dialects are non-rhotic. I mean the third orthographically.

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

#40

There's a great (long) article on the building of the Palace of Westminster at https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay... , on how new infrastructure has just been added over time, never removing the old stuff because there's no time, and—with plans being lost—how this results in new shafts being found every now and then in the course of fixing leaks etc.

Good to see both software architects and architecture architects run into same issues with legacy stuff.

Quite famously, software design patterns take inspiration from the field of Architecture [0]. The industry would do well to learn from them in how they deal with legacy systems, as well?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_pattern#Histor...

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