Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

cnbc.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

171–180 of 186 posts

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

#171

Post by D2187645 »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #140
abathur wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not knowledgeable about the efficacy of the masks themselves, but I suspect there's a forest-for-the-trees issue, here. There are at least a few ways to think about whether masks (broadly, or any specific mask) "work"... - Whether wearing a mask makes it less likely someone will pick up an infection in constant conditions (direct mask efficacy, reduced touching, etc.) - Whether wearing a mask makes it less likely…

Good questions. You remind me of some of the arguments against wearing a helmet on a bike. In particular, real studies show that automobile drivers are more careful in the presence of bikers without helmets - that is, if you're wearing a helmet, drivers are more careless around you.

Someone texting, driving drunk, or not paying attention is still gonna hurt you more without a helment though.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

#172

Post by ornornor »

D2187645 wrote: post #171
CWuestefeld wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good questions. You remind me of some of the arguments against wearing a helmet on a bike. In particular, real studies show that automobile drivers are more careful in the presence of bikers without helmets - that is, if you're wearing a helmet, drivers are more careless around you.

Someone texting, driving drunk, or not paying attention is still gonna hurt you more without a helment though.

And sometimes you just fall on your own as well. Out of the few times I’ve met the ground while biking, I’d estimate roughly half to be because I lost balance after hitting a pothole I didn’t see or ice/snow/rain making my bicycle slide. I was glad to have a helmet in these cases.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

#173

Post by ta999999171 »

Reedx wrote: post #2

It's looking like Coronavirus will be rocket fuel for all things remote. Work, schooling, conferences... I think we'll see a lot of new tools and processes emerge. More companies, schools, conferences being remote friendly. Anyone seeing concrete signs of this at your employer or school yet? And what other second-order effects do you think we'll see?

And totalitarianism.....

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

#174

Post by v0tary »

robomartin wrote: post #143
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's always some risk that infrastructure will catastrophically fail, and in general I think a month-long self-sufficiency stock is a perfectly reasonable thing to have. (I have one myself, although primarily because I live in an earthquake zone.) But when people are reacting to the coronavirus, the implicit question isn't what preparations are good to have for general worst case scenarios; it's which preparations…

You are over-complicating simple advice that is perfectly reasonable and not extreme at all: Assume stores will be closed. Plan accordingly. Be glad if things don't play out that way. No harm done. Not difficult. Not extreme. Not a big deal. Just reasonable assumptions and planning in the face of what could be a very serious event in human history.

I have to agree here with robomartin. Stores might be open or they might not. Even though there is large chance they might remain open - they will almost certainly be overrun if this were to go into panic mode.

I can't even buy dust masks at my local home improvement store as they are out of stock. And that's not even a necessity!

Nothing wrong in being prepared for an emergency.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

#175

Post by DyslexicAtheist »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #148
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

surviving it might not be much fun either depending on the severity of the case. survivors have a 45% risk of pulmonary fibrosis (onset within 3-6 months after initial infection), then there is testicular damage in men, among others, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22412112

> survivors have a 45% risk of pulmonary fibrosis I'm not seeing this in the link you posted ( https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.18.20024539v... ) A quick online search isn't yielding anything substantial on that either. EDIT: N/M found it, but they're saying it's a possibility due to observations found during SARS: > Gaohong Sheng et al. [20] have shown that viral infection can increase the risk of pul…

sorry I haven't provided better context. yepp 100% only based on what we know from SARS.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

#176

Post by DyslexicAtheist »

James_Henry wrote: post #4

Here are some actual documents on preparing for an influenza pandemic that the CDC is repurposing to prepare people for the coronavirus because of the similarity to the spread of the flu. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/pandemic-prepa... States will have their own influenza preparedness plans that they will probably be following for the coronavirus as well. One helpful thing that they advise governors t…

> CDC is repurposing to prepare people for the coronavirus because of the similarity to the spread of the flu.

this is the recurrent theme in Taleb's Black Swan book and his later Antifragile. e.g. Preparing for the next big catastrophic event based on the experience from the last big event, is the reason he gives on why we can never escape Black Swans

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

#178

Post by whb07 »

notabee wrote: post #145
whb07 wrote: post #121

Know what’s worse than this virus? Panic. This shit is no deadlier than the regular flu. If you’re not 80+ or have a bad health you’re fine. They need to fire these officials.

Even the rate in younger people, such as those in their 20s, is higher than flu at 0.2%. The rate for flu in the 18-49 age range averaged about 0.001%[1] It's not just the flu. Please don't assert that without checking the numbers. 1. https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/179/2/156/123327

I'll assert that panic and fear is worse than this disease. I'll also assert that the tens of thousands that are surmised to have the virus are largely unreported therefore this disease is vastly overplayed.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

#179

Post by stallmanite »

koheripbal wrote: post #162
imglorp wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> store up ... enough (but not more than enough) medications I'm not clear how this would work in practice. In the US, between insurance and the DEA, patients get very little choice about how many meds are dispensed at which intervals. There are all kinds of constraints.

I tell my doctor that I lost my meds at a hotel and have them prescribe me another set.

If you try that with scheduled medications they just don’t believe you and put you on a list of “drug-seekers”

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

#180

Post by CWuestefeld »

D2187645 wrote: post #171
CWuestefeld wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good questions. You remind me of some of the arguments against wearing a helmet on a bike. In particular, real studies show that automobile drivers are more careful in the presence of bikers without helmets - that is, if you're wearing a helmet, drivers are more careless around you.

Someone texting, driving drunk, or not paying attention is still gonna hurt you more without a helment though.

I'm not making an argument against helmets, partly because I don't know if that effect is large enough to overcome the additional safety of the helmet. I'm just trying to illustrate that sometimes there are non-obvious offsetting effects.
Post reply on HN