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Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by myrandomcomment »

contingencies wrote: post #71
myrandomcomment wrote: post #29

The simple suggestion would be that Google needs to ask for your citizenship status and go from there. Not sure else how to solve that. If I am an American living in the EU for a few years does the GDPR apply to me when I live there? I am going to the EU next week for 10 days. When I access my gmail from the EU what law applies?

I have three western citizenships, one is EU, and I live across borders, usually accessing the internet via VPN from China. Google cannot possibly understand this, nor should it try to, rather it should give everyone the best protections guaranteed by law anywhere in the world and only punch holes in it for local regulations in specific jurisdictions where unavoidable. To do anything else (such as profiling for ads)…

Googles job is to make money, which means monetizing your data. We have no reason to expect anything else from a free service. I fail to understand why this surprises people. If that does not work people can use another search engine (duck duck go or the like) and pay for email (proton, etc).

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Post by Pada »

andreagrandi wrote: post #117

UPDATE #2: after clicking here and there, I was able to find this https://pay.google.com/gp/w/u/1/home/settings it looks like I had set a UK address once and completely forgot about it (I don't have any Android devices since 2014, that's why I forgot). Let's see if this will change anything.

This happened to me as well. EU citizen that lived for a while in the UK. What is different is that in Google Play I still have my home address not one in the UK. So even more strange.

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

andreagrandi wrote: post #120
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How misinformation spreads on the internet 101. In future, it might be best to word this as a question. "Why does Google think I live in the UK?" Less click-baity and more faithful to the level of investigation you had conducted. Phrasing it as a question rather than an accusation might have even led you to the answer, something along the lines of, "well, have I explicitly told them I live in the UK? Let me check."

I wouldn't classify this as misinformation. Facts: 1) I don't live in UK 2) They threated me at UK resident 3) It's not possible to change the country directly from Google account, you have to go to Play Store (which I don't use it anymore) 4) It was impossible to contact them

You accused them of illegal behavior when they acted correctly on information you explicitly gave them. You seem to expect them to divine your implicit intent from non-payments related product usage data. But for all we know you have search history turned off, and anyway most privacy advocates would consider a join like that suspect at best. Then you publicized this false information about illegal behavior as broadly as you could. If that's not misinformation I don't know what is.

To be clear, I'm not saying you did so maliciously. Seems like an honest mistake on your part. Well, it did until you started digging in.

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Post by myrandomcomment »

reaperducer wrote: post #86
myrandomcomment wrote: post #29

The simple suggestion would be that Google needs to ask for your citizenship status and go from there. Not sure else how to solve that. If I am an American living in the EU for a few years does the GDPR apply to me when I live there? I am going to the EU next week for 10 days. When I access my gmail from the EU what law applies?

The simple suggestion would be that Google needs to ask for your citizenship status and go from there The simpler suggestion is that Google stop collecting and warehousing people's personal information.

That is their business model. If people do not like it then do not use Google.

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Post by soneil »

alanfranz wrote: post #66

I wonder if this is an issue with Andrea's Google account. Maybe it's some setting that makes Google think he's from the UK. The text of the same paragraph, just as I received it from Google: "We’re improving our Terms of Service and making them easier for you to understand. The changes will take effect on March 31, 2020, and they won’t impact the way you use Google services." No mention of Google LLC. And, surprise!…

The copyright line at the foot of the email seems to be the most reliable way to see which legal entity your account falls under. It’d be nice if they were a little more clear about this.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by Aeolun »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #123
andreagrandi wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't classify this as misinformation. Facts: 1) I don't live in UK 2) They threated me at UK resident 3) It's not possible to change the country directly from Google account, you have to go to Play Store (which I don't use it anymore) 4) It was impossible to contact them

You accused them of illegal behavior when they acted correctly on information you explicitly gave them. You seem to expect them to divine your implicit intent from non-payments related product usage data. But for all we know you have search history turned off, and anyway most privacy advocates would consider a join like that suspect at best. Then you publicized this false information about illegal behavior as broadly…

Using the fact that someone once entered a UK address as a proxy for living in the UK is inviting legal disaster in my opinion.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

Aeolun wrote: post #126
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You accused them of illegal behavior when they acted correctly on information you explicitly gave them. You seem to expect them to divine your implicit intent from non-payments related product usage data. But for all we know you have search history turned off, and anyway most privacy advocates would consider a join like that suspect at best. Then you publicized this false information about illegal behavior as broadly…

Using the fact that someone once entered a UK address as a proxy for living in the UK is inviting legal disaster in my opinion.

Are you a lawyer? I mean I have all kinds of legal opinions but it's not really my expertise so I don't know how grounded they are in reality. I'm not even sure whether the gdpr specifies penalties for using the wrong data processor for an account provided the same controls are obeyed. I.e. if Google uses the same protections for UK residents as they had under GDPR, I'm not certain that there would be any penalties for accidentally misclassifying some users. Actually it would surprise me if there were.

What does the GDPR say google should use in preference to the last known mailing address?

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Post by Gigablah »

andreagrandi wrote: post #105
three_seagrass wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't illegal. You worked in London and had enough UK-based activity to warrant receiving an email notification about UK-based data handlers.

let’s try to keep the technical mistake separate from the legal bit. I think their email is entirely legit if I was living in UK, but I don’t. Also: honestly, I use Google Maps almost everyday. Even without asking me I think they have plenty of data on me to clearly see I’ve been living in Italy in the last year and half.

Wait, are you complaining that Google knows too little about you?

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by andreagrandi »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #123
andreagrandi wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't classify this as misinformation. Facts: 1) I don't live in UK 2) They threated me at UK resident 3) It's not possible to change the country directly from Google account, you have to go to Play Store (which I don't use it anymore) 4) It was impossible to contact them

You accused them of illegal behavior when they acted correctly on information you explicitly gave them. You seem to expect them to divine your implicit intent from non-payments related product usage data. But for all we know you have search history turned off, and anyway most privacy advocates would consider a join like that suspect at best. Then you publicized this false information about illegal behavior as broadly…

What do you mean "search history turned off"? I'm not sure I understand. Also, I'm not a UI/UX expert, but Google suite has "Account Settings" where I would have expected to be able to see/change my address, but the option is not there. I use a limited subset of Google products (GMail, Calendar, Youtube, Google Docs, Maps etc...) but the possibility of changing the address was in the only product I haven't used since 2014 (I checked it because someone else, on a forum, pointed me to it). Now the address is updated, but I have no idea to check if my Data Controller will remain the same or it will be Google LLC. They should give us an explicit option to check/set what Data Controller we have, not infer it from a single product (which in my case wasn't used anymore).

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

andreagrandi wrote: post #129
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You accused them of illegal behavior when they acted correctly on information you explicitly gave them. You seem to expect them to divine your implicit intent from non-payments related product usage data. But for all we know you have search history turned off, and anyway most privacy advocates would consider a join like that suspect at best. Then you publicized this false information about illegal behavior as broadly…

What do you mean "search history turned off"? I'm not sure I understand. Also, I'm not a UI/UX expert, but Google suite has "Account Settings" where I would have expected to be able to see/change my address, but the option is not there. I use a limited subset of Google products (GMail, Calendar, Youtube, Google Docs, Maps etc...) but the possibility of changing the address was in the only product I haven't used since…

There is a toggle to control whether Google keeps track of your search history. I suppose there's a separate toggle for location history. If you have those turned off, Google does not record that data, and there would be no way for them to derive your location even in theory.
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