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How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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Recently filed a collision claim with USAA. They undershot the original estimate but had no issues paying the full amount for repairs when getting the quote.

They refused to replace car seats for me when a USAA member hit me.

Not sure what the specifics of the accident were, but car seats are rarely damaged unless the accident is major, which may very easily total the car. If the car wasn't totaled, which certainly sounds like the case, then it seems unusual to have an accident serious enough to damage the seats. Unusual, but not impossible. Maybe that's the reason for the denial.

I personally had no issues when one of their insured drivers hit my car. I waited for the police report, which clearly stated the other driver was at fault, and I was promptly paid by them for the damage to my vehicle. I didn't have to file anything through my insurance and they were very easy going about the whole thing.

Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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The best thing you can do is shop for auto insurance every year or two. The longer you stay with a particular company the more likely they are to very slowly and carefully hit you with small rate increases until you're paying far more than their competitors will charge you. Insurance companies understand and exploit consumer behavior better than even the best marketers.

Why is it that almost every company that provides a service with the potential to be in perpetuity, like insurance, always fee creep their customers to the point that you switch because you know you're being fucked compared to what the market "intro rate" for new customers is? You switch only to be back what you were paying before the switch after three months or another time lapse. When there are few providers in an…

I imagine it's because these are almost always public companies that need to show earnings growth. They are always trying to improve margins and their stock price. That's much easier than actually figuring out a great marketing plan to acquire new customers. And also far cheaper, too.

Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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The best thing you can do is shop for auto insurance every year or two. The longer you stay with a particular company the more likely they are to very slowly and carefully hit you with small rate increases until you're paying far more than their competitors will charge you. Insurance companies understand and exploit consumer behavior better than even the best marketers.

Why is it that almost every company that provides a service with the potential to be in perpetuity, like insurance, always fee creep their customers to the point that you switch because you know you're being fucked compared to what the market "intro rate" for new customers is? You switch only to be back what you were paying before the switch after three months or another time lapse. When there are few providers in an…

I like to think of this as "attention arbitrage".

Bank fees are a good example. To you and I, an extra $3 bank fee is annoying but not worth allocating enough of our attention to avoid it. We aren't in the business of spending our whole damn day minimizing random bank fees.

But bank administrators are in that business. They spend their whole day trying to figure out how to maximize thieir profit and when they roll out a fee they can apply to millions of customers. There are enough customers hit by this they could summon enough total attention to push back, but the attention is divided among all those people and easily conquered. Meanwhile, the bank's effort to apply that fee is concentrated among a small number of people whose very job it is to do stuff like this.

So banks and other businesses discover cases like this where the quantity of attention they are willing to devote to something is larger than what any individual customer is, and that's where they squeeze.

Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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> Just yesterday I looked up something on Amazon. Sent the link to my girlfriend. She saw a price that was $10 more. Out of curiosity, are you and your girlfriend in the same geographic market & served by the same amazon warehouse? And are you both prime members? I wonder if this is personalized to the individual or based on other factors.

We live in the same house. She has Prime , I don’t.

Interesting.

Maybe it showed you the lowest-cost vendor, and showed her the lowest-cost vendor with Prime shipping? And the difference was $10?

Or was it shipped from and sold by the same place?

Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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This is a terribly misleading headline. The actual story is: they developed a radically different risk model that assigned new rates to everyone, but, in an effort to retain customers, decided to spread increases over multiple years to decrease sticker-shock cancellations. Folks with cheap policies (which are the biggest flight risk, because are good insurance risks and every company wants them) got the increases mor…

> trying to make simple business into some sort of evil scam. If it's not an evil scam, why have so many states (including Republican business-friendly states) rejected this practice?

"Many regulators disallow X" is not meaningful evidence that X is evil or a scam.

Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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post #124

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We live in the same house. She has Prime , I don’t.

Interesting. Maybe it showed you the lowest-cost vendor, and showed her the lowest-cost vendor with Prime shipping ? And the difference was $10? Or was it shipped from and sold by the same place?

No idea. Shipping would have been for both of us.

Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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>also offers a glimpse into a potential future where companies of all sorts, not just auto insurers

No, not companies of "all" sorts. Just insurance companies. Other companies are regulated by Congress as part of antitrust regulations which would prevent them from doing this kind of thing. Insurance companies, however, are not regulated by antitrust laws. Insurance is declared to be "not commerce" and therefore not answerable to antitrust laws. They are permitted to break any antitrust law they please. This is why medical insurance companies, for instance, hold national meetings every few years to decide what price they are willing to pay for medical goods and services. This is price-fixing, and it is illegal in absolutely any industry - except insurance. In insurance, they can do it publicly because there literally is no law against it. There's a law PROTECTING it. It was called the McCarran-Ferguson Act. The plan was to repeal it as part of the Affordable Care Act. It was the clause that enabled the ACA to survive the entire revision process... and was then promptly removed from the bill immediately before its passage. This is why the insurers have never really fought very hard against the ACA. If it ever gets repealed, the McCarran-Ferguson act, that is, insurance companies will fall under antitrust regulation and have to change almost every business practice they follow. They will have to compete against one another on price, compete against each other on what prices they pay, etc. It would destroy their profit margins and probably result in the majority of them going out of business quite quickly. Don't hold your breath. It's why the insurance industry spends so much on lobbying and every lobbyist for every single industry will fight its repeal. In other words, it will NEVER happen. The law has been in place since 1945.

Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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Why is the government in the business of disapproving prices in the first place?

Almost all state governments made it so that you can't drive a car unless you have insurance. The reason they did this is so that if you hit someone and cause physical injury to them or to their property, it's possible to pay them for the damage you did to them. The government has decided that it is a good idea to make sure that people generally have a way of getting money from people that have caused accidents. We'v…

A simple minimum insurance (liability only) is around $150/y almost regardless of vehicle here while a full insurance (theft, damage, ...) is 10x that and obviously can be a lot more expensive than that if the car is expensive.

I wouldn’t even shop around if only buying the liability insurance because it costs like 2 tanks of gas anyway.

Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

#129

The best thing you can do is shop for auto insurance every year or two. The longer you stay with a particular company the more likely they are to very slowly and carefully hit you with small rate increases until you're paying far more than their competitors will charge you. Insurance companies understand and exploit consumer behavior better than even the best marketers.

Why is it that almost every company that provides a service with the potential to be in perpetuity, like insurance, always fee creep their customers to the point that you switch because you know you're being fucked compared to what the market "intro rate" for new customers is? You switch only to be back what you were paying before the switch after three months or another time lapse. When there are few providers in an…

Because someone ran an analysis that says you can make $X more by doing one thing that doesn't cost you anything. Many companies just look at the numbers and say "sounds good."

It helps that since they are insurers, they know how make this analysis with a large degree of confidence.

Re: How Allstate’s auto insurance algorithm squeezes big spenders

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I stopped using Allstate years ago -- I mentioned to my agent (this was back when it was still common to actually go see an agent in person to get insurance) that I had a chip in my windshield from a rock and I had to pay to fix it. He said "No, don't pay for it, just make a claim and we'll pay for it no deductable for glass fix since we want you to have a clear windshield". So I made the claim. Then made 2 more clai…

I also discovered that if you claim the car towing assistance/emergency roadside assistance, they insurance would file as claim and that might be possibly considered as proper paid out claim and affects your insurance premium. You can get your lexisNexis report every year that corresponds to your driver profile based on SSN

https://risk.lexisnexis.com/products/clue-auto

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