Know what’s worse than this virus? Panic.
This shit is no deadlier than the regular flu. If you’re not 80+ or have a bad health you’re fine.
They need to fire these officials.
CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic
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Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic
#122We are witnessing a massive geopolitical event. This could be a chance for the U.S. to reassert it's global hegemony - China has been brought to its knees over this virus, and a critical weakness of globalism has been exposed, the dependence that comes with offshoring too much production. This could drive the return of manufacturing jobs to the U.S. Rumors abound in China about party members openly criticizing the go…
Of all the things I'm worried about with corona, the US having a chance to reassert global hegemony is not on the list. Not remotely.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
2% of the US population is 6 million people. That's a lot of people. Edit : and it might climb if people aren't getting proper care because the medical system is overloaded.
The annual death rate in the USA is 2.8m. The virus will spread throughout the biosphere and become a standard part of the human virus paradigm, like the common cold or flu. The best than can be done is to manage and stage its extent as much as possible, to avoid overwhelming healthcare services all at once. The Japanese seem to have the same idea. Cases should be triaged and medical resources dedicated to those aged…
On the premise that this virus does become standard, I've been wondering whether post infection you have a better immunity towards other related SARS-like viruses in the future? In which case, would there potentially be a net positive if SARS-like viruses no longer have the same effect?
Is it possible that this could be like getting chickenpox young and protecting you from worse things (measles as adults) in the future?
(note: I know nothing when it comes to health related issues like this so I'm assuming it's completely naive thought since I haven't seen anyone else mention anything similar)
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It seems reasonable to make a run to Costco or Sams club to load up on dry goods and paper supplies. Better to do so now than after a panic hits. You don't have to go all doomsday prepper and get 10 year shelf life cans of beans. But maybe enough toilet paper, ramen noodles, and bottled water to last through 30 days of not wanting to leave the house much. Anecdotally, I was in Costco last week and saw a woman shoppin…
Yeah, I'm not building a bunker or anything. I just wanted to stock up of medicine/water/food in case there was a rush.
Medicines have me a little worried. I can get a three-month supply, but only when my previous supply is almost exhausted. I can't get three months extra "just in case".
Anybody have a good way of dealing with this?
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I am absolutely baffled that someone would down-vote this comment. I don't understand. I would love for someone to actually match their down-vote with an explanation. Maybe there's something to be learned there. Having lived through at least a couple of important earthquakes in the Los Angeles region I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, you do not want to wait until the last minute to get ready for any kind o…
Preparing to stay at home is reasonable. Expecting for no stores to be open isn't - even in Wuhan, stores have been open and selling essential goods.
Riddle me this one:
If EVERYONE stays home, how do stores remain open? Do we think they are run by robots?
I try to use language with some degree of precision. I said "assume no stores will be open during that time". ASSUME, not "stores will definitely be closed during that time". Assume, as a part of planning, not categorically know, because the assumption will make for better planning.
It is far safer to make this assumption and be wrong, than to discover not making the assumption was a mistake.
In the first case you end-up with extra food and supplies you did not need and will simply consume over several months (or donate to the Red Cross, which would be fantastic). In the other case you and your family could suffer greatly due to being utterly unprepared.
Maybe it's my aerospace background...I have learned the hard way that ignoring potential failure modes and corner cases is the mother of all fuck-ups.
Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
2% of the US population is 6 million people. That's a lot of people. Edit : and it might climb if people aren't getting proper care because the medical system is overloaded.
The annual death rate in the USA is 2.8m. The virus will spread throughout the biosphere and become a standard part of the human virus paradigm, like the common cold or flu. The best than can be done is to manage and stage its extent as much as possible, to avoid overwhelming healthcare services all at once. The Japanese seem to have the same idea. Cases should be triaged and medical resources dedicated to those aged…
> The virus will spread throughout the biosphere and become a standard part of the human virus paradigm, like the common cold or flu.
I think this will take a long long time. so far that hasn't happened with SARS and MERS. (we also don't have a vaccine for those 17 years later).
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What are the chances that residential electricity, gas or water get shut off as a result of an outbreak in North America? I live in a mid-sized town and we have enough dry beans and cereals to last a few months, but without hot water it would be a week at most.
I don't know more than anybody else. All I can tell you is that I'm not personally expecting that to happen, or at least, no more so than usual. One of the reasons for that is that there's actually multiple phases to this sort of thing. Quarantine is a response you use when trying to completely squash it early, but as the virus escapes quarantine, you go to a different strategy of trying to reduce the virus' effectiv…
Just to add a bit, don't forget supplies for pets too.
Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic
#128Here are some actual documents on preparing for an influenza pandemic that the CDC is repurposing to prepare people for the coronavirus because of the similarity to the spread of the flu. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/pandemic-prepa... States will have their own influenza preparedness plans that they will probably be following for the coronavirus as well. One helpful thing that they advise governors t…
What are the chances that residential electricity, gas or water get shut off as a result of an outbreak in North America? I live in a mid-sized town and we have enough dry beans and cereals to last a few months, but without hot water it would be a week at most.
Local governments and utilities can vary in competence. Best to still have some water storage and alternative heating methods. A good camp stove is handy to have regardless.
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Without getting to far into it, not really. Theoretically they can... But practically there are so many routes to failure, the average person cannot use it. If you were the guy with impeccable lab technique... Maybe.
This isn't true. Someone with general intelligence can figure out how to use one of these things correctly, and I think that people who care to figure it out will do exactly that.
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I haven't seen any good guides for individual and household preparedness, but I think that this guide "Interim Guidance for Preventing the Spread of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in Homes and Residential Communities" ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance-preve... ), especially the precautions section, can be a useful place to see what would be needed to prepare. Some things to have besides fo…
Do the N95 face masks that you can buy at the grocery even do anything to prevent the spread of coronavirus?
I'm not knowledgeable about the efficacy of the masks themselves, but I suspect there's a forest-for-the-trees issue, here. There are at least a few ways to think about whether masks (broadly, or any specific mask) "work"...
- Whether wearing a mask makes it less likely someone will pick up an infection in constant conditions (direct mask efficacy, reduced touching, etc.)
- Whether wearing a mask makes it less likely someone will transmit an infection in constant conditions.
- Whether wearing a mask leads infected people to spend more time around others.
- Whether wearing a mask leads uninfected people to spend more time around others.
- Whether the way masks end up getting allocated in the event of a shortage promotes or inhibits spread at population scale (for example, if masks ended up overallocated towards people who're so concerned that they stay home anyways and away from people who don't have the ability to).