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Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price

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Re: Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price

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So is it buying in bulk or planning ahead that make Tim Cook the greatest COO in history? Because neither seem particularly amazing to me. Is it just the fact that the sums of money involved are quite large? Or is it the subtle undertones of sticking it to the competition so they can't compete fairly that makes this story (and the ones about patents) resonate so strongly with Apple fans?

It's both, as a matter of fact, and judging from the struggling competition neither is particularly easy. When discussing Cook's qualities and Apple's refined processes, there isn't much fanboy-ism involved. They're simply really, really good at it.

And yet if you ask a hundred Apple fans why their competition is struggling you'll get a hundred different reasons. You seem to be claiming that planning ahead and buying in bulk to produce a cheap, boring looking, plastic tablet with a half-finished, linux-based phone OS and stylus interface would be enough to destroy the competition. Others would disagree.

And not only do you credit this one factor with decisive victory, you're attributing it not to Apple as a corporation, but to one individual. In other words, this is all about fanboy-ism. Indeed, like the face of Jesus appearing in a grilled cheese sandwich, the only interesting aspect of this story is the way the believers react to it. The underlying reality is suspect, but no-one seems to care as long as it fits their narrative.

Re: Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price

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I know this is going to burn my karma, but having watched the personality cult of Jobs grow to dominance, and now observing the mantle being handed over to Cook in a way that the cult appears just to have adapted to follow the new leader... it's a very disturbing sight. Apple are a great company for sure, but I'm extremely uneasy reading things that make any individual such an icon, let alone with Apple where it's ha…

"I'm extremely uneasy reading things that make any individual such an icon...Please can we let this personality cult dissipate..." Personality cults are much more important than you realise. The post-modernist approach seems to be to downplay the significance of individual visionaries in favour of diffuse accolades attributed to the group or larger corpus. It's nonsense. Shakespeare was an individual (not a nebulous,…

> Jobs is a design and technological wizard

You've fallen for it. Ives is the designer, not Jobs. Woz was the technological wizard, not Jobs. Jobs is a leader, a salesman and a marketer. Granted, he's a wizard (in the Oz sense of the word) but pull back the curtain and you'll find other incredibly talented people doing their jobs, if you'll pardon the unintentional pun.

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Re: Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price

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There used to be a time when Left-leaning people knew some history. Terrible as the worker conditions might have been at the dawn of the Industrial Age, they were a vast improvement compared to the past. Equally so, unpleasant as Chinese factories may look to a Westerner, they are an improvement over the past. Have people actually asked those workers if they were willing to quit or had better prospects elsewhere?

> There used to be a time when Left-leaning people knew some history. Everyone tends to view history from an angle that supports their preconceptions. You don't seem to be any exception. > Terrible as the worker conditions might have been at the dawn of the Industrial Age, they were a vast improvement compared to the past. How are you defining worker conditions? A family with a small plot in the countryside could not…

And you suppose making more money, or wanting to, is somehow evil?

Re: Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price

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> There used to be a time when Left-leaning people knew some history. Everyone tends to view history from an angle that supports their preconceptions. You don't seem to be any exception. > Terrible as the worker conditions might have been at the dawn of the Industrial Age, they were a vast improvement compared to the past. How are you defining worker conditions? A family with a small plot in the countryside could not…

And you suppose making more money, or wanting to, is somehow evil?

In many cases it wasn't really a voluntary choice to change lifestyle in order to make more money; a lot of the mass-urbanization periods happened when previous ways of making money collapsed. In the U.S., two big periods of rural flight were the late 19th century, when industrialization of farming lowered prices enough that family farmers were no longer competitive; and the 1930s, when the dust-bowl put another large cohort of family farmers out of business.

You could argue they ended up better off anyway, but it wasn't as if millions of people sat down and voluntarily decided, "well, I could stay and farm, but I'd rather go to the city and work in a factory". The collapse of family farming as a viable occupation sort of made the choice for them.

Re: Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price

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post #75

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> There used to be a time when Left-leaning people knew some history. Everyone tends to view history from an angle that supports their preconceptions. You don't seem to be any exception. > Terrible as the worker conditions might have been at the dawn of the Industrial Age, they were a vast improvement compared to the past. How are you defining worker conditions? A family with a small plot in the countryside could not…

And you suppose making more money, or wanting to, is somehow evil?

I suppose, said or insinuated no such thing. What a childish comeback.

Of course it isn't evil. If you're starving then making money is not only not evil but a necessity. Beyond meeting your immediate needs, working endless hours at a repetitive, unhealthy job to support your family or further your children's future is commendable.

That does not mean worker conditions improved with industrialization as compared to working on your own farm or as a day laborer.

Re: Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price

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"That’s (Apple stores) advantageous, because if the iPad were primarily sold at third-party retail stores, a big chunk of profit would go to those retailers, Hiner reasons." "Designing in-house means Apple doesn’t have to pay licensing fees to third parties to use their intellectual property. For instance, the A4 chip" This is silly. Software development, retail, chip design etc. all cost money. Apple isn't just taki…

iOS development was already paid for by the iPhone and iPod teams, as was chip design. And the App store and iTunes are a benefit, not a cost. However I agree, there are other reasons - their outsourcing of components has a very good reputation.

There is a bit of a contradiction. It cannot be both great that Apple doesn't outsource its retailing and great that Apple outsources its components production. Economically, it should buy from the cheapest and most efficient source all it requires. If best buy are more efficient retailers, then Apple should use them; but I think there are some advertising advantages to their stores.

Re: Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price

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post #72
post #59

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"I'm extremely uneasy reading things that make any individual such an icon...Please can we let this personality cult dissipate..." Personality cults are much more important than you realise. The post-modernist approach seems to be to downplay the significance of individual visionaries in favour of diffuse accolades attributed to the group or larger corpus. It's nonsense. Shakespeare was an individual (not a nebulous,…

> Jobs is a design and technological wizard You've fallen for it. Ives is the designer, not Jobs. Woz was the technological wizard, not Jobs. Jobs is a leader, a salesman and a marketer. Granted, he's a wizard (in the Oz sense of the word) but pull back the curtain and you'll find other incredibly talented people doing their jobs, if you'll pardon the unintentional pun.

In term of design and technology, my impression is that Jobs is a filter and a coach. This should be thinner! It needs rounded corners! etc.

He is able to coax the best out of design and technology folk and direct it towards a valuable end.

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