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Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by shadowgovt »

Traster wrote: post #32
kick wrote: post #5

I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…

Why would Google pull out? Let's be clear about this: the EU is setting quite tame limitations on how Google uses the data they collect on EU citizens. Google doesn't need the EU in order to exist. But it would be incredibly difficult for them to justify to shareholders why they've given up an enormous market and essentially created an opportunity for a competitor to build scale freely (and then challenge them in the…

Conveniently for Google, they're not obligated to justify anything to shareholders. The company founders control a majority of the only class of shares that has voting rights.

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-larry-page-sergey-bri...

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

inetknght wrote: post #69
asiachick wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it is. It's called backups, and being prepared. If one data center burns down or is taken offline for other reason your data needs to be somewhere else.

> If one data center burns down or is taken offline for other reason your data needs to be somewhere else. Somewhere else doesn't necessarily need to be "in different jurisdiction"

No, but ideally (and especially for live failover datacenters) it should be in a different wide-area synchronous grid segment[1] to prevent issues in the event of large disasters. For datacenters in the EU that means having a backup outside the continental EU, which has meant Ireland or Great Britain if they want to stay within the EU jurisdiction. With the UK leaving that means just Ireland.

Other disaster recovery concerns also mean that having large geographical distance between datacenters is a good idea. This can lead to jurisdictional issues, which need to be addressed when building the system.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_grid#Wide_area_sync...

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by shadowgovt »

rsynnott wrote: post #103
kick wrote: post #5

I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…

And that would be the end of Google. Anti-trust regulators in countries where it remained would take pretty decisive action in the face of that sort of madness. (Also whoever made this decision would presumably be torn apart by enraged shareholders)

Google isn't structured so that enraged shareholders can do more than scream and sell their stock, unless you get one of the company founders on-board with whatever you're enraged about.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by shadowgovt »

jacquesm wrote: post #90
kick wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want Amazon and Google to get pushed out of the EU. It'd be hilarious to me, and better for the world writ large. Also, GRPC is a Google framework. Did you mean GDPR? I think the GDPR is a great thing. I think Google is bad. That doesn't change the fact that Google will continue to make substantially more money off of the EU than the measly fines they've been given by the EU so far: there's no incentive for them to…

> I want Amazon and Google to get pushed out of the EU. That won't happen. They may get fined though, until they fall in line.

I remember historically, Amazon found the amount of fines they were willing to pay in France quite high for the privilege of continuing to flaunt the bookseller's guild laws.

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Post by contingencies »

andreagrandi wrote: post #93
contingencies wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have three western citizenships, one is EU, and I live across borders, usually accessing the internet via VPN from China. Google cannot possibly understand this, nor should it try to, rather it should give everyone the best protections guaranteed by law anywhere in the world and only punch holes in it for local regulations in specific jurisdictions where unavoidable. To do anything else (such as profiling for ads)…

Couldn’t they provide a way to check/edit our personal details so we can set our home address?

https://www.mjt.me.uk/posts/falsehoods-programmers-believe-a... ... Final falsehood: Each person has exactly one address. Same goes for phone numbers, citizenships, passports, etc.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by andreagrandi »

UPDATE #2: after clicking here and there, I was able to find this https://pay.google.com/gp/w/u/1/home/settings it looks like I had set a UK address once and completely forgot about it (I don't have any Android devices since 2014, that's why I forgot). Let's see if this will change anything.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by rsynnott »

shadowgovt wrote: post #113
rsynnott wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that would be the end of Google. Anti-trust regulators in countries where it remained would take pretty decisive action in the face of that sort of madness. (Also whoever made this decision would presumably be torn apart by enraged shareholders)

Google isn't structured so that enraged shareholders can do more than scream and sell their stock, unless you get one of the company founders on-board with whatever you're enraged about.

Presumably enraged about the precipitous stock price decline that this would inevitably entail.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

andreagrandi wrote: post #117

UPDATE #2: after clicking here and there, I was able to find this https://pay.google.com/gp/w/u/1/home/settings it looks like I had set a UK address once and completely forgot about it (I don't have any Android devices since 2014, that's why I forgot). Let's see if this will change anything.

How misinformation spreads on the internet 101. In future, it might be best to word this as a question. "Why does Google think I live in the UK?" Less click-baity and more faithful to the level of investigation you had conducted. Phrasing it as a question rather than an accusation might have even led you to the answer, something along the lines of, "well, have I explicitly told them I live in the UK? Let me check."

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by andreagrandi »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #119
andreagrandi wrote: post #117

UPDATE #2: after clicking here and there, I was able to find this https://pay.google.com/gp/w/u/1/home/settings it looks like I had set a UK address once and completely forgot about it (I don't have any Android devices since 2014, that's why I forgot). Let's see if this will change anything.

How misinformation spreads on the internet 101. In future, it might be best to word this as a question. "Why does Google think I live in the UK?" Less click-baity and more faithful to the level of investigation you had conducted. Phrasing it as a question rather than an accusation might have even led you to the answer, something along the lines of, "well, have I explicitly told them I live in the UK? Let me check."

I wouldn't classify this as misinformation.

Facts:

1) I don't live in UK 2) They threated me at UK resident 3) It's not possible to change the country directly from Google account, you have to go to Play Store (which I don't use it anymore) 4) It was impossible to contact them

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